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Episodes of Mormon Miscellaneous, a talk show on Mormon history, scripture, doctrine and many controversial topics, by LDS host, Van Hale, now in its 35th year. All points of view are welcomed.
63. Joseph Smith’s View of Ancient Curses
Jul 12th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 11:33 am

63. Joseph Smith's View of Ancient Curses 


What I consider to be basic, elementary questions which require a leap of faith: 
  • How what we know exists, came to exist?
  • The universe: how? why? for what purpose? 
  • Is it the result of some intelligent design? 
  • Is it managed by a higher intelligence? 
  • Is all an accident or is it for some divine purpose? 

Also:

  • In his platform running for President, Joseph Smith presented some of his views against slavery. 
  • I discussed other sources in which we find Joseph Smith's views. 
  • I engaged in some debate with a caller over Joseph Smith's views. 
  • I insisted that there has been no evidence, from sources produced before Joseph Smith's death, that he believed an ancient curse was to be continued in the Restoration. 
  • And further, I presented some from a substantial body of sources that he believed that all should, regardless of ancestry, be considered equal, a view he was vigorously advocating at the time of his death. 
  • The caller, in his argument, ignored the statements of Joseph Smith written and published before his death, and rather relied upon a late reminiscence which alleged that Joseph Smith realized that he had been in error declared that the blacks were, in fact, yet under an ancient curse.

      


This is the 16 March 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year. 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show 16 March 2008
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    • Art Bulla

      Van insisted on a lie when he said, “I insisted that there has been no evidence, from sources produced before Joseph Smith’s death, that he believed an ancient curse was to be continued in the Restoration.”

      26 Pharaoh, being a righteous man, …who blessed him with the blessings of the earth, and with the blessings of wisdom, but cursed him as pertaining to the Priesthood.

      (Abr 1:26)

      This scripture is not such a source produced before Joseph’s death?

      Also this:

      Trace the history of the world from this notable event down to this day, and you will find the fulfilment of this singular prophecy. What could have been the design of the Almighty in this wonderful occurrence is not for me to say; but I can say that the curse is not yet taken off the sons of Canaan, neither will be until it is affected by as great power as caused it to come; and the people who interfere the least with the decrees and purposes of God in this matter, will come under the least condemnation before him; and those who are determined to pursue a course which shows an opposition and a feverish restlessness against the designs of the Lord, will learn, when perhaps it is too late for their own good, that God can do his own work without the aid of those who are not dictate by his counsel.

      (Joseph Smith; Messenger and Advocate, vol. 2 (October 1835-September 1836), Vol. 2 April, 1836 No. 19, p.290)

      which regards this:

      25 And he said, Cursed [be] Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. 26 And he said, Blessed [be] the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. 27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

      (Gen 9:25-27)

      Septuagint not “produced before Joseph’s Death”?!!! To say that Joseph did not believe the Bible is a base lie, and this anti-Christ in sheep’s clothing only makes such a statement because he counts on an audience too ignorant and/or cowardly to confront him with facts. Sycophants. “Facts”, however, are “stubborn things.”

      Those who stretch forth their hands to steady the ark of God in this and other matters are smitten with the shaft of death as Joseph warned.

      Art Bulla

      President of the Melchizedek Priesthood

      Aug 8, 2009 at 7:57 pm