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Episodes of Mormon Miscellaneous, a talk show on Mormon history, scripture, doctrine and many controversial topics, by LDS host, Van Hale, now in its 35th year. All points of view are welcomed.
Sep 17th, 2017 by mormonmisc at 11:24 pm

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Sep 10th, 2017 by mormonmisc at 9:35 pm

Topics:

  • Jewish views about God
    Gulf between God and Man
    God not the Father

  • Jesus about God:
    Dramatically changed God
    New ideas
    God is the Father
    Kind
  • Caller: Jews, Pyramid, Numbers
    LDS Scriptures Changed 

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Sep 10th, 2017 by mormonmisc at 8:50 pm

Topics:

  • Mormon Beginnings
  • Poor Assisted
  • LDS Money
  • Bishops Paid?
  • Missionaries 70,000 & 30,000
  • Bishops Storehouses

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Aug 28th, 2017 by mormonmisc at 10:00 pm

Topics:

  • D&C 88 - some 80 JS phrases - Dec 1832
  • Some Mistakes
  • LDS focus on Progression
  • anti-Jewish
  • One Gem found by Christians among some Strange OT ideas - Lev 19
  • News at Nauvoo 1840s

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Jul 11th, 2017 by mormonmisc at 4:34 pm

TOPICS

  1. Universal Accident
  2. Physical Material vs
  3. Intelligiences
  4. Biblical Diversity
  5. Exodus 32

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TOPICS

  1. Blacks
  2. Trinity
  3. God's Name
  4. LDS Doctrine 1835 - Lecture on Faith 5
  5. Book of Mormon Doctrine
  6. Joseph's weaknesses
  7. Plural Marriage

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TOPICS

  1. Mark 10:18
  2. New Testament
  3. Illegitimate Births
  4. Lust
  5. False News - tales
  6. Revelation
  7. First Version

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Jul 11th, 2017 by mormonmisc at 3:57 pm

TOPICS

  1. Plural Wives 
  2. Brigham Young's Sermon - 1855
  3. Notecards
    progression
    searching
  4. Peaches

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Jul 11th, 2017 by mormonmisc at 3:46 pm

TOPICS

  1. Plural Wives
  2. Brigham Young's 1855 Sermon
  3. Polygamy LDS?
  4. Polyandry LDS?

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Jul 11th, 2017 by mormonmisc at 3:34 pm

TOPICS

  1. Lee Baker vs. Brigham
  2. Plural Marriage
  3. Polygamy
  4. LDS Sources
  5. Young Plural Marriage - 1855
  6. Orson Pratt & Orson Hyde

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Jul 11th, 2017 by mormonmisc at 3:20 pm

TOPICS

  1. Contention • 3 Nephi 11
  2. Mysteries
  3. Joseph Smith Papers
  4. Council of 50 - meetings
  5. Joseph Smith
  6. Brigham Young
  7. Saints to Great Salt Lake City

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Nov 16th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 7:30 pm
  • 1981 Radio Shows
  • KJV
  • KJV 1611
  • Other Bibles
  • Beliefs about God
  • Beliefs about Jesus
  • Technical problem
  • Phillipines - LDS membership
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Nov 16th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 7:19 pm
  • Kingdom of God
  • Church of God
  • Joseph Smith teaching
  • Progression
  • Church Westward
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Nov 16th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 7:13 pm
  • 3 Nephi 11
  • Politics Statement
  • Seer Stones
  • Translation
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Nov 16th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 7:07 pm
  • Abraham
  • Gen 17
  • Adam
  • Melchizedec
  • Enoch
  • Law
  • Paul
  • Early Christians
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Nov 16th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 7:01 pm
  • 1 to 16 mil
  • Joseph Smith views
  • Adam God Theory
  • Spirit
  • Intelligence
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Nov 16th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 6:55 pm
  • 1831
  • Newspapers
  • Beliefs 
  • Laws 1842
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Nov 16th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 6:51 pm

Accuracy

Mind

Soul

Jesus Christ

Son of God

procreation

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Nov 16th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 6:39 pm
  • Questions
  • Joseph Smith Papers
  • Church History Library
  • Mormon Misc
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Sep 4th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 10:28 pm
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Aug 28th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 10:12 pm

Laura Harris Hales, editor of A Reason for Faith: Navigation LDS Doctrine & Church History was my guest. Some of our topics include:

  • 17 Chapters - by 16 authors - on 12 controversial or questionable topics - on 11 similar essays published by the Church on lds.org - compiled and edited by Laura Hales.
  • The 12 topics: Money Digging, First Vision, Book of Mormon, Priesthood Restoration, Book of Abraham, Kinderhook Plates, Polygamy, Freemasonry/Endowment, Race/Priesthood, DNA, LDS Women in 21st century, Homosexuality/Gospel, Science & Religion.
  • The book was published by Deseret News.

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Aug 21st, 2016 by mormonmisc at 9:02 pm

Translation

  • Joseph Smith
  • Hebrew
  • Greek
  • Hierglyphics
  • King James Version compare with the Book of Mormon
    • BM 2 Nephi 22:2 vs KJV Is 12:2 vs Hebrew
  • JS statements "translated by the gift and power of God"
  • KJV Is 7:14 contrast with Hebrew & LXX & BM
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Aug 14th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 10:39 pm

Really Inside Mormonism: Confessions of a Mere Latter-day Christian

Robert D. Starling

After 30 years of responding to negative statements and articles, Robert has gathered together many sources, beliefs and thoughts to publish a 450 page book. I find it interesting pursuing many paths on Mormonism from a "Latter-day Christian." Some tops:
  • Trinity?
  • Christians?
  • The the Godmakers
  • Ed Decker
  • Modern Prophets
  • One true Church, many more...

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  • Book of Mormon
    • Tight translations
    • Loose translation
    • Who supplied the words?
    • KJV
    • Brass plates
    • Isaiah passages
  • Council of 50
  • Relief Society
  • More Effective Apologetics
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  • A change in the recent Symposiums
  • Ordain Women
  • Denver Snuffer paper, "Was There An Original?"
  • Sandra Tanner paper, Plagiarism - Book of Mormon
  • Some thought languages and translation
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Jul 24th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 9:04 pm
  • Decision to move to Great Salt Lake?
  • Diary accounts written at the time
  • Pondering questions on Mormon Westward movement - 1847
  • Council 28 July 1847
  • Problem 29 May 1847
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Jul 17th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 9:20 pm
  • My statement of being a mainstream LDS believer 
  • Is God the Father found in both the OT and Jesus in the NT?
  • LDS Godhead 1828-2016
  • Mormon Creed?
  • Lectures on Faith 5
  • Ideas on the Holy Ghost
  • Contrast between the OT & the BM
  • Jehovah-Elohim-Jesus questions: Son of God, Father Son
  • Joseph Smith Translation contrast with KJV OT
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Jun 27th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 9:25 pm

Fredy Martinez, is member of my High Priest Group. He, and his wife, have sent the past 4 1/2 years as missionaries in the SLC Inner-City Mission. He explained this developing Church project. 

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Jun 27th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 9:07 pm

A number of sources reveal Joseph's development of the Godhead contrasting his views before and after the Nauvoo period. This provides some important insight to sort out that some views have been discarded and replaced by others. 

One caller led the discussion into the topic of polyandry - a wife married to two husbands contemporaneously. 
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Jun 27th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 6:13 pm

Historic Christian Deity Terms are compared and contrasted with historic Mormon ideas: 1. Monotheism  2. Polytheism  3. Henotheism  4. Unitarian  5. Binitarian  6. Trinitarian.

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Jun 12th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 11:43 pm

1. Comments on the MHA Convention this Weekend

2. Definitions of God
3. Book of Mormon issues
4. New Church approach in the Seminaries
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Jun 5th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 10:19 pm

Critics claim regarding Joseph's First Vision accounts, 1832 & 1838, are unimpressive examining the sources from June 1830 to the end of 1832.

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May 29th, 2016 by mormonmisc at 11:27 pm

There have been some who claim that Joseph Smith borrowed Ethan Smith's 1825 book, View of the Hebrews, as the basic foundation of the Book of Mormon.

There are a number of approaches to come to a conclusion. Several were considered.
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My guests, Matt Nelson and Chad Powell, are Masons and Mormons living in Provo:

  • Masonry: history past and present
  • Problems about Masonry and Mormons at Nauvoo
  • Situations in early Utah and now
  • Religion and Politics
  • Beliefs
  • Satanic?
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Sep 12th, 2015 by mormonmisc at 10:29 pm

I spent some time talking with a caller on the Mountain Meadows Massacre. He made many claims which I believe solid sources rebut.

  • Brigham Young ordered the massacre through George A. Smith
  • His purpose was to murder and steal always accepted by Mormons
  • He knew all about the wagon train
  • The upcoming 1857 Utah War did not concern his interest in the MMM
  • He declared independence from the U.S. on August 24, 1857 celebration
  • BY was guilty but was given a pardon by the President
  • Denied that John D. Lee reported to BY in September
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Sep 12th, 2015 by mormonmisc at 10:07 pm

Ezra Booth, one of the earliest converts soon left and wrote 9 letters which were published in the Ohio Star newspaper from Oct 13-Dec 8, 1831. He addressed many topics claiming accurate accounts, events and beliefs of Mormonism. Much is contrary from Mormon sources. I addressed several of his claims which probably all historians would obviously conclude false. 

  • Joseph Smith claimed all authority and live beyond any gospel laws and principles
    • Commit adultery
    • Kill the husband 
    • Common consent
    • Church covenants
I also addressed a claim by Lee Baker 2 weeks ago, that the First Presidency and the Twelve made a false statement about Joseph Smith in the 2008  2009 Priesthood and Relief Society Manual. 
It is difficult on many topics to sort out divergence sources to decide which to accept. 
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Sep 12th, 2015 by mormonmisc at 5:07 pm

Christopher Smith, interested in Mormon history, has published an article in the Journal of Mormon History, "Playing Lamanite: Ecstatic Performance of American Indian Roles in Early Mormon Ohio."

Early Church history (1830-1831, in Kirtland) is open to considerable interpretation of diverse contradictions of many early and late sources. 
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Aug 2nd, 2015 by mormonmisc at 11:34 pm

Lee Baker, an ex-Mormon, was my guest. We were having some difficulty discussing divergent views. These were included:

  • Lee contrasting D&C 132:39 (that is using only a portion of v. 39) with Jacob 2:24 (leaving out verse 23 & 30).
  • Lee claimed that D&C 132 was not printed until 1876. My point was that it was first published by the Deseret News in September 1852, by Orson Pratt in Washington, DC 1853 and that it was the topic hundreds of times from 1852 to 1876. He would not acknowledge this.
  • D&C 1835 ed. was a topic which would have been worthwhile. He has maintained that the Church is hiding this from LDS. I was attempting to claim that Deseret Book has been selling the D&C 1835 ed. from 2011, but my explanation did not materialize. A meaningful discussion on the article Marriage also did not materialize. I will pursue this another time.
  • Lee wanted to talk about the Joseph Smith Translation. This was a very good topic. He wanted to discuss Gen 17 about JS's change. I wanted to tie this in with Moroni 8, Acts 15, the writings of the Apostolic Fathers (95 AD - 150 AD) and the 1611 KJV translators spin on a number of OT passages. This would be a good topic.
  • We went around and around about a phrase in the Teachings of the Presidents: Joseph Smith manual in chapter 43 and JS, many times, declaring that he is fallible, committed sin etc. mentioned in the D&C and in the JS manual, which Lee denied. See chapter 46 in the manual.
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Jul 27th, 2015 by mormonmisc at 12:02 am

With my guest, Paul Brandt, we discussed many thoughts and ideas on Sex:

  • Born with sexual desire?
  • Does sexual desire primarily urge procreation or sex relationship?
  • Only for procreation - married or not - homosexual or heterosexual?
  • Do, or soon will, LDS accept Same Sex Marriage?
  • Marriage - a major focus of the Church 
    • With or without sex  
    • Satisfaction 
    • Continence
    • Increase or decrease sex drive
    • Many, probably most, in the resurrection will be single
    • Some LDS do not want marriage
    • Some LDS are married, but do not want children
    • Some LDS are divorced and do not to remarry
    • Some sex problems
    • Who is considered to ultimately make marital decisions, Church policy, the wife or the husband?  
  • Same Sex issues
  • Birth control
  • Old Testament
  • New Testament
  • Celibacy
  • Eunuchs
  • Fornication or homosexual - which is the greater sin?
  • Statements from the First Presidency
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Jun 26th, 2015 by mormonmisc at 8:43 pm

The initial topic addressed the impressive research of a Lutheran historian, Joachim Jeremias. He discovered a long forgotten teaching of Jesus about God, his Father, referred to by him and Paul: Abba. The meaning of this, according to Jeremias, was a powerful concept at the time of Jesus a very similar LDS belief today. 

Several other topics discussed:
  • Old Testament
  • Jehovah
  • Holy Ghost
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Jun 7th, 2015 by mormonmisc at 9:27 pm

Mormon History Association Convention 4-7 June 2015.

Some comments:
  • Statistics on men and women
  • Recent questions about Mormons and Catholics at Nauvoo
  • Indian War 1853
  • Ideas about Book of Mormon geography
  • 1954 issue about Blacks involving Pres. McKay, Africa, Brazil, Elders Peterson, Clark and others
  • Wilford Woodruff's diaries and the question of the future of his letters written from 1831-1898
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May 31st, 2015 by mormonmisc at 10:45 pm

The Ensign, Gospel Doctrine and other Weekly Sunday School Topics, Priesthood & Relief Society manuals are not by any means the only sources provided by the Church for the Saints, past and present:

  • Religious Studies Center at BYU in is 40th anniversary 
  • The project of Jeffrey Holland and BYU President Dallin Oakes 
  • Bold new venture publishing the works of BYU's religion faculty
  • 2014 more than 100 articles published in many journals and 14 books published
  • 3 upcoming symposia this year at BYU
  • Two periodicals BYU Religious Education Review and the Religious Educator

Discussion with two callers on the question, Is religious scripture history? 


Comments of Ethan Smith, author of View of the Hebrews 1823
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Apr 19th, 2015 by mormonmisc at 10:44 pm

David Bokovoy is the author of Authoring the Old Testament. He is a faithful Latter-day Saint with an extensive Hebrew and Biblical scholarly background. This book has been written specifically for an LDS audience introduced into many fields of biblical scholarship typically foreign to LDS. Some topics discussed:

  • Common Mormon and non-LDS Christian views about the OT
  • Are our beliefs and doctrines today the same as when our religion began several thousand years ago?
  • What are the sources for many portions of the OT?
  • Christian translators in the 1611 KJV introduced Christ into the OT by adding many notations in the many chapter summaries.
  • How do Mormon views about Elohim and Jehovah compare with what we find in the OT?
  • There are different views about the Joseph Smith Translation of the OT.
  • Joseph Smith's interest in Hebrew and the OT is very interesting.
  • Some thoughts on Book of Abraham, Book of Mormon, OT and history.
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Apr 5th, 2015 by mormonmisc at 10:09 pm

Some comments and discussion:

  • Elder Holland about creation
  • The claim that Jesus did not use hairspray
  • How can you believe if doctrine changes?
  • Martin Harris was only interested in money
  • A caller maintains that the US should follow the OT, thus executing homo-sexuals
  • Ancient sources explain black skin
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Mar 29th, 2015 by mormonmisc at 10:08 pm

Further conversation with Charley Harrell on more LDS aspects on revelation, inspiration, visions, canonization, in the wards and stakes.

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