109.Brigham Young’s Remark?

Posted in Uncategorized by mormonmisc on August 31st, 2013

109.Brigham Young's Remark?

"Brethren, this Church will be led onto the very brink of hell by the leaders of this people, then God will raise up the one `Mighty and Strong' spoken of in the 85th Section of the Doctrine & Covenants to save and redeem this Church."     by Brigham Young [??]

DURING the past 90 years, many have cited this startling remark. I have found it in a numerous books, pamphlets, unpublished sources, un-counted times on the internet, hundreds in private and public conservation, twelve times in Truth magazine published from 1936 to 1952, and now I find it in the five volume set The Complete Discourses of Brigham Young, published in 2009.

Although, those who cite this remark, seldom give a source. But, some have given one or more of the following: a date, an event, a location, who were there, who heard it, written in a diary, found in the Church History Library and now in The Complete Discourses of Brigham Young.

To me there are some things to think about. 

Certainly, Brigham Young said many things which have been written, some which have been passed on orally, most never recorded and a number or statements have been attributed to Brigham Young, but not until 50 years after his death.

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108. Book of Mormon: Mesoamerica

Posted in Book of Mormon Historicity, Book of Mormon by mormonmisc on October 3rd, 2012

Book of Mormon: Mesoamerica

Daniel Johnson was my guest. As LDS, he has had much interest in the Book of Mormon, especially research into the archaeology and history of Book of Mormon lands, referring to Mesoamerica.

He is the principal author of An LDS Guide to Mesoamerica and the upcoming An LDS Guide to the Yucatan.

Of course, we, including a number of callers, discussed this topic from several angles.

His blog is very interesting including many photos of Mesoamerica.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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107.Author of The Mormon People: The Making of an American Faith

Posted in Polygamy, Mormon History, Theology, Doctrine & Covenants by mormonmisc on September 7th, 2012

107.Author of The Mormon People: The Making of an American Faith

Matthew Bowman is the author The Mormon People: The Making of an American Faith. I began talking to him on the second hour. We talked about a number of developments from 1830 until now. I highly recommend this book for Mormons and non-Mormons.

During the first hour, I had:
  • a conversation with an ex-Mormon about his new view about Joseph Smith on plural marriage, and;
  • a conversation with an ex-Mormon who claims to be Jesus' prophet. We debated his claim that President Grant decided to replace the D&C with a digest version so LDS would not know about a number of doctrines.

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106.Strengthening Marriage: Dr. Paul Brandt

Posted in Uncategorized, All Podcasts, Temples by mormonmisc on August 17th, 2012

Strengthening Marriage: Dr. Paul Brandt

My guest is a psycho-therapist, Sunday School teacher (Class -Strengthening Marriage) and an author. We discussed a number of topics including:

  • Marriage problems increasing internationally and among LDS
  • A new LDS marriage class
  • Two manuals
  • LDS issues in the past and in the present
  • Church use of extensive research
  • Divorce
  • Birth control
  • Sexuality
  • Singles
  • Dr. Brandt's book One But Not Lonely

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105. Translating the Book of Mormon

Posted in Uncategorized by mormonmisc on February 5th, 2012

105. The Gift and Power: Translating the Book of Mormon

Author: Brandt Gardner

The author, callers and I discussed some of the numerous topics related to the production of the Book of Mormon. These are several of the topics:

  • Regarding to the Book of Mormon, what does translation mean?
  • Who gave the information - God, Angel, Joseph Smith or someone thought it up?
  • Who supplied the wording?
  • What are the believers views, or the non-believers?
  • What are the many varied views?

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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104.Development of Mormon Theology

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, Joseph Smith, Mormon History, God / Godhead, Theology by mormonmisc on December 29th, 2011

104. Development of Mormon Theology.

Date 2011-11-13

My guest, Charles Harrell, is the author of This is My Doctrine: The Development of Mormon Theology.

I highly recommend this book.

Some of the following are topics we discussed during our 2 hour discussion:

  • Beliefs, doctrine & opinions
  • The idea of official LDS doctrineMormon creeds?
  • Official position on passages of scripture
  • Revelation: past, present & future
  • Considering past and present pronouncements
  • History of doctrinal changes
  • Dogmatism
  • De-emphasis

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103. History of the English Bible

Posted in New Testament, All Podcasts, Old Testament, Bible by mormonmisc on December 10th, 2011

103."Fires of Faith" The Translation of the Bible into English

2011-11-06

This year is the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible published in 1611.

BYUtv has produced an impressive 3 mini series which portrays and discusses the translations of the Bible in English from William Tyndale's (1525) to the King James Version (1611).

My guest is Lee Groberg, an independent film producer. He is the director and producer for BYUtv's remarkable documentary. He wrote, interviewed and coordinated filming with more than 400 actors and extras, eighteen international scholars, in eight different countries.

And with him are: Derek Marquis, the managing director of BYU Broadcasting and Fred Woods, Professor of Church History & Doctrine and on the Hebrew from BYU.

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102.Thoughts and Ideas on the KJV

Posted in New Testament, All Podcasts, Old Testament, Anti-Mormon Allegations, Bible by mormonmisc on December 10th, 2011

102.Thoughts and Ideas on the KJV

Date: 2011-10-16

A number of thoughts and ideas on the KJV and other translations.

Comments on the upcoming guest, Bill Keller an internet evangelist, claims that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are not Christians and to vote for Mitt Romney is to vote for Satan.

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101.Development of the D&C: Some Thoughts

Posted in Bible, Doctrine & Covenants by mormonmisc on July 24th, 2011

Development of the D&C: Some Thoughts

Some Thoughts

Church History Library Extensive sources David O. McKay & Spencer W. Kimball Some Points D&C - 1876, 1833, 1835, 1921 Beginning of the D&C

List of sections added to the D&C in 1876 Comparing the development of the D&C & the New Testament Why was the D&C changed in 1876?

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100.Science & Mormonism 2

Posted in Uncategorized by mormonmisc on April 28th, 2011

100.Science & Mormonism 2

This is a further discussion of this topic, which will continue in the next podcast.

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99.Science & Mormonism

Posted in Uncategorized by mormonmisc on February 22nd, 2011

99. Science and Mormonism

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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98.Bill and Van: Some Views of Joseph Smith

Posted in Joseph Smith, All Podcasts, Anti-Mormon Allegations, Bible by mormonmisc on July 25th, 2010
98.Bill and Van: Some Views of Joseph Smith

 

How did Joseph Smith view himself?

How do Mormons view of him?

What critics have stated what Joseph Smith claimed for himself?

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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What is the Doctrine of the Church?

What is the Doctrine of the Church?

 

 

Some say that there is a list of the Mormon Doctrine of the Church. A few of many thoughts and ideas about this question are discussed on this program

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Christians vs Mormons; Christians vs Christians; Mormons vs Mormons

Posted in All Podcasts, Anti-Mormon Allegations, Bible, God / Godhead, Theology by mormonmisc on June 6th, 2010

Christians vs Mormons; Christians vs Christians; Mormons vs Mormons

James White, a long time opponent of the LDS Church, was a guest this week on a local SLC radio program. Some years ago, White and I discussed a number of topics on about a dozen programs. On this Mormon Miscellaneous program I commented on some of his views this week. He claims that there are wide divergents between the Christians and Mormons. Of course he asserts that Mormons are not Christians. Here, I point out that there are many wide differences between many Christians; Mormons and non-Mormon Christians.

Following a are some of the comments:

LDS often say Jesus is subordinate of the Father

Bible - Is Jesus God?; Is God the Father of our God

Old Testament - does not suggest that any man on the earth will be God

There are wide divergents among the non-LDS Christians

Changes in the KJV made by JS

 

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95. Sayings from Joseph Smith’s Sermons

Posted in Uncategorized by mormonmisc on April 2nd, 2010

95. Sayings from Joseph Smith's Sermons

I read a number of Joseph Smith's sayings and teachings found in a number of the early records. Many of these are sources not often cited. I explained how a number of his sermons were written, edited and published.

Van Hale, host

18 December 2005 is the date of this program.

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94. Tales, Dubious Accuracy & Testimony

Posted in Uncategorized, Mormon Doctrine, Joseph Smith, Mormon History, All Podcasts by mormonmisc on April 1st, 2010

94. Tales, Dubious Accuracy & Testimony

In this discussion I read early newspapers which frequently published articles which have turned out to be tales or dubious accuracy about Joseph Smith and the Mormons.

Further, Martin Tanner discussed the difficulty determining conflicting testimonies so often found in our national court systems. Also, this creates problems when historians attempt to sort out many historical points.

8 December 2005 is the date of the program.

Van Hale was the host. Martin Tanner visited for the first hour.

 

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93. Claims that Joseph Smith Was a Con Man

93. Claims that Joseph Smith Was a Con Man

Views included:

Joseph Smith's 1826 Trial

The claim that Joseph Smith killed someone

Several accounts of Joseph Smith's First Vision

Three accounts in Acts of Paul's vision

Four accounts in the NT on Jesus' transfiguration

About Joseph Smith's:

The Book Mormon

Attitude

Excommunication

Comment Consent

Trying the spirits

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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92. Book of Mormon Discussion

Book of Mormon Discussion

This discussion includes several topic: deification, Mormons and Moonmen, Joseph Smith's great sermon, the King Follett Discourse, but much of the time is about the Book of Mormon. This includes the historicty and the historical questions of the Book and the role of Joseph Smith and God in its foundation.

This program aired 2006-12-17

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91. Joseph Smith Papers: Two Revelations Manuscripts

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, Joseph Smith, Mormon History, All Podcasts, Doctrine & Covenants by mormonmisc on November 19th, 2009

91. Joseph Smith Papers: Two Revelations Manuscripts

These two manuscript revelations were written in the 1830s, and now published in 2009. These two include a number Joseph Smith's revelations from 1829 to 1835. One of the manuscript was recently found. The other manuscript has been known for many years.

The authors of this book are: Robin Jensen, Bob Woodford and Steve Harper. They discuss many topics and questions with the host, Van Hale. New information provides some old unanswered questions. Yet, other questions still beg for further research and insight. Many Latter-day Saints and their historians are anxious too understand details of their history.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

 

Official website:http://mormonmiscellaneous.com

 

Podcast address: http://mormonmisc.podbean.com/This is the 01 November 2009 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show now in its 30th year.

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90. Writings of the Early Christians 100-125 AD

Posted in New Testament, All Podcasts, Bible, Ancient non-Canonical, Church Government by mormonmisc on August 21st, 2009

90. Writings of the

Early Christians 100-125 AD

Four of five areas of the first half of the 100 AD with be mentioned in further programs. Tonight those authoritative writings are those of this discussion.

1. What was the Godhead at this early view.

2. Jesus as his view has conceived.

3. What was the view of salvation.

4. What was to be the church organization.

5. What was the concepts of authoritative writings.

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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[89] 29 Years of Mormon Miscellaneous

[89]

29 Years of Mormon Miscellaneous

My wife, Catherine, and long time associate, Steve Mayfield, joined me to discuss the 29 years of weekly talk shows. We discussed the origin and history of the program; some of the guests and topics and some of the myths fabricated about me and the program.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

 

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88. A Catholic and a Mormon #2

Posted in New Testament, All Podcasts, Bible, God / Godhead, Ancient non-Canonical, Church Government by mormonmisc on June 24th, 2009

88. A Catholic and a Mormon #2

My guest, Vic Scaravilli, is a Catholic interested in Catholic apologetics, with an interest in Mormon claims and belief. We continued our discussion.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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A Catholic and a Mormon

A Catholic and a Mormon

My guest, Vic Scaravilli, is a Catholic interested in Catholic apologetics, with an interest in Mormon claims and belief. This was my first Catholic guest in 29 years. We discussed:

Are Mormons Christians?

Defining Christ and Christian

Question of diversity on Jesus in the New Testament

Considering the view of Jesus found in Mark, Could the author of that work be considered a Christian?

Origins of the New Testament canon

Questions of Authority

When do Mormons claim the Church apostatized?

 

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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Nauvoo High Council Minutes

The Nauvoo High Council Minutes

The Nauvoo High Council minutes are preserved in the LDS Archives. The nature and authority of this body can be outlined by the issues it considered and the actions taken. Attitudes of the council on marriage, divorce, remarriage, plural marriage, sexual immorality, disputes among members, spiritual claims and doctrinal teachings, disfellowshipment, excommunication and reinstatement, and the attitude and requests of Joseph Smith are among the many entries in this valuable record which I will discuss.

Belief, skepticism and proofs.

More on allegations of Temple blood oaths.

 

 

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Mormon History Association Representatives

Posted in Uncategorized by mormonmisc on May 24th, 2009

One guest was Kathyrn Daynes, current president of the Mormon History Association. The other was Paul Reeve, a member of the MHA Board. Both teach history, Daynes at BYU and Reeve at the University of Utah. They are both award winning authors. Daynes has written a book, More Wives than One. Reeve's book is

Making Space on the Western Frontier: Mormons,. Miners, and Southern Paiutes.

We discussed the upcoming Mormon Historical Association Annual Conference including a number of the topics to be covered, the history of the MHA and how a typical Conference is conducted.

Both guests commented on the difficulties of writing of historical papers and books.

Daynes shared her perspective on a number of points and issues in Mormon practice of plural marriage in the 19th century.

We also discussed Reeve's research into the competing ethnicities in 19th century Mormon experience.

 

 Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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Mike Haxton, an ex-Mormon Bishop

Posted in New Testament, All Podcasts, Old Testament, God / Godhead by mormonmisc on May 9th, 2009

Mike Haxton, an ex-Mormon Bishop

We discussed the 1611 King James Bible which Haxton claims was superintended by God and is God's word in English. We pursued the question of which KJV is God's word since it was 6000 verses longer in 1611 than the editions published today. Haxton denied this. We discussed the modern translations, I argued for their value, he contended that they contain the word of God, but they are not the word of God as is the KJV.

We also discussed his stated view that salvation comes by grace through faith, nothing more and nothing less. In this discussion Haxton did, however, express his view that repentance and obedience to God's commands are required for salvation.

The controversial topic of the Trinity was considered briefly.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://mormonmiscellaneous.com Podcast address:http://mormonmisc.podbean.com/

This is the 12 April 2009 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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Early Publications of the Revelations

Posted in Joseph Smith, Mormon History, All Podcasts, Doctrine & Covenants by mormonmisc on May 8th, 2009

 Early Publications of the Revelations

 My guest was Curt Bench. He is the proprietor of Benchmark Books in Salt Lake City and an expert on the wide range of publications on Mormonism over the past 179 years. Curt is a veteran dealer in publications old and new, rare and common. 

 

Smith-Pettit Foundation has just published The Parallel Doctrine and Covenants: The 1832-1833, 1833, and 1835 Editions of Joseph Smith's Revelations. Curt authored the introduction. We discussed the history of the publication of Joseph Smith's revelations up to 1835. Among the several early printings of the revelations there are many textual variations for a variety of reasons. The variants can be easily followed with this new important contribution to the study of early Mormonism. We discussed several and also views of the nature of Joseph Smith's concept of revelation which would account for the changes made in the revelations.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

 

 

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More on the Temple Ceremony

More on the Temple Ceremony

I continue a discussion of alleged elements of the temple ceremony which I began last week. I present and discuss sources regarding the numerous allegations that in the 19th century Mormons, by oath, committed themselves to murder Americans and to seek the destruction of the Nation. I do this in response to a post

Other topics raised by participants include the question of the frequency and recording of revelations; the policies regarding the establishment of authority; a debate on the Biblical infallibility; Mormons saving the Constitution.

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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Big Love and the Temple Ceremony

 

 

Big Love and the Temple Ceremony

Please be advised that this is a sensitive topic for LDS. Big Love is an HBO fictional series about a non-LDS group which subscribes to, and practices, their interpretation of Mormon polygamy of the 19th century. In the 15 March 2009 episode a false allegation is made about a commitment made, prior to 1990, by LDS participants in the LDS temple ceremony.

I discuss this and several other false allegations about the temple ceremony found in a number of anti-Mormon books, pamphlets and articles.

These topics include: blood oaths, an oath of vengeance, a lecture and human executions.

Topics raised by callers:

Alleged blood oath

Creation accounts in Genesis

Alleged lecture at the veil in the St George Temple

22 March 2009 Episode

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Doctrine and Covenants #2

Doctrine and Covenants #2

I present an overview of the history of the D&C from 1828 to 1981 dicussing some additions, deletions, modifications, historical situations and doctrinal points.

I have a selection of notecards from my notecard collection I will be reading. It is Notecard Selection #7. I will email it to those who email me their request to van.hale@k-talk.com.

Topics raised by callers include:

Contents of the Book of Commandments Did Joseph Smith have children by any of his plural wives? Did not Heber J. Grant attempt to shorten the D&C substantially? Question on my view on Plural Marriage. The Kirtland Revelations Book.

 Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

 

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This is the 18 January 2009 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year. 

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Genesis of the Joseph Smith Papers Project

Posted in Uncategorized by mormonmisc on March 6th, 2009

Genesis of the Joseph Smith Papers Project

My guest was Ron Esplin, Managing Editor of the Joseph Smith Papers Project. We discussed the genesis of this project including the original record keeping, the scope of the surviving documents, efforts to publish early Joseph Smith documents leading to the current exhaustive project.

Ron gave details of the involvement of a very prominent Salt Lake business man, Larry Miller, who just passed away. Miller owned a number car dealships, theaters, the Utah Jazz professional basketball team and a number of other enterprises. The story of his introduction to the project, his interest and involvement prove to be very interesting.

In 2001 the LDS First Presidency decided that the entire collection of Joseph Smith Papers would be published in what will be about 30 volumes. Top professional historians and archivists are working on the project to produce a publication to meet the highest of professional standards.

Callers raised questions about the Articles of Faith, new material, revelations and insights regarding Joseph Smith, the value and problems with reminscences.

 

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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This is the 1 March 2009 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year. 

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An Original Apostle’s Notebook is Discovered

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, Joseph Smith, Mormon History, All Podcasts, Book of Mormon by mormonmisc on February 21st, 2009

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My guest was Brent Ashworth, a well-known and long-time collector of Mormon documents. He recently discovered an 1871 notebook of William E. McLellin who was an LDS convert in 1831, who served in several callings in the Church, including his membership in the first Quorum of the Twelve Apostles in 1835. Several factors lead to his excommunication in 1838.

He participated briefly in a splinter group before Joseph Smith's murder and organized his own group after. A number of his personal writings have been discovered - his early diaries and several notebooks. This notebook presents his views and reminiscences on a number of topics and his enduring conviction that Joseph Smith had been a prophet and that the Book of Mormon is of Divine origin.

Ashworth and I discussed the notebook in some detail and he read a number of selections from it.

We also discussed some of Ashworth's other purchases including some of the forged documents of the infamous Mark Hoffman.

Several participated questions by phone and email.

(The photo above is Brent Ashworth with the notebook. The photo below is the notebook opened to page 14-15)

 

 

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Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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This is the 8 February 2009 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year. 

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D&C Facts and History #1

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, Joseph Smith, Mormon History, All Podcasts, Theology, Doctrine & Covenants by mormonmisc on February 5th, 2009

D&C Facts and History #1

I raise a number of questions I will address regarding the history and content of the Doctrine and Covenants including additions and deletions in various editions.

 

Joseph Smith's selection for the D&C in 1835 and 1844 differed from that of Orson Pratt and Brigham Young in 1876. Does this fact raise any questions?

Book of Commandments.

1835 Doctrine and Covenants

General Assembly called to vote for or against the D&C

Early publication of some revelations.

Comments on D&C 76, 121, 109, 129-131, 89

Procedure regarding acceptance or rejection of revelation.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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This is the 11 January 2009 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year. 

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Joseph Smith Papers Interview

Posted in Joseph Smith, Mormon History, All Podcasts by mormonmisc on January 26th, 2009

Joseph Smith Papers Interview

The LDS Church has begun a major project involving professionally trained historians to gather, prepare, edit and publish the papers of Joseph Smith, mostly located in the LDS Archives. This is to meet the highest professional standards. The first volume was just published. It publishes, word for word, the journals of Joseph Smith for the period of 1832-1839, with many footnotes, biographical and geographical notes, a glossary and chronology. It begins with an exellent overview of the life of Joseph Smith.

I spent the evening conversing with Mark Ashurst-McGee and Richard Jensen, two of the editors of this first volume. The following is a list of some of the topics covered:

Nature of the journals

What they reveal of Joseph Smith

The degree of his religiosity

Remarkable Book Sales

Credibility of the editorial process

Objectivity of the editors

The involvement of LDS Authorities

Danites

Reasons the Church has hired LDS historians for this project

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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This is the 4 January 2009 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year. 

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Mormons & Modern Israel

Posted in Mormon History, All Podcasts, Theology by mormonmisc on January 26th, 2009

Mormons and Modern Israel

My guest is Daniel Rona. He was born in Israel - Educated in America - and was a radio and TV broadcaster in Salt Lake City, St. Louis, Chicago and New York, as well as an international newscaster for the Voice of Israel. Thirty-five years ago, he returned to Israel with his wife, Marilyn, and three children, they now have five children and six grandchildren. Daniel Rona is still providing learning experiences in and about Israel, Egypt, Turkey and Central America. He has been the only L.D.S. licensed tour guide and tour operator in Israel for close to thirty years. The Deseret News said, His background is unique: he is an American, an Israeli, a Mormon, and a Jew!

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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This is the 4 January 2009 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year. 

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Hard Evidence and Religious Conviction

Hard Evidence and Religious Conviction

 

Guest host Don Ormsby addressed the following topics raised by participants and by himself:
A brand of Islam and racism

Who is saved

Belief in the Bible and Book of Mormon is not to be based on proof

Blacks and Mormonism

Financing the Book of Mormon

How do you prove something in scripture is true

Is there hard evidence of the resurrection of Jesus

Polygamy

Faith is not to be based on archaeology

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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This is the 14 September 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year. 

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Polygamy: Joseph Smith’s Letter of Explanation

Posted in Joseph Smith, Polygamy, Mormon History, All Podcasts, Book of Mormon Historicity by mormonmisc on December 20th, 2008

Polygamy: Joseph Smith's Letter of Explanation

A letter of Joseph Smith on polygamy is well-known to many LDS as an article on Happiness. It was written such that its meaning would be hidden to those who do not know its historical context.

Its history includes a stir among LDS in Nauvoo in 1842, significant confrontations, exchanges in the newspapers, denials, defections and information on the early, private promulgation of polygamy.

Its content gives important insight into Joseph Smith's views and even includes a revelation. Further, it is an excellent example of a literary form which clearly teaches an impressive message on the surface, but then buried beneath the surface is a deeper message comparable to occasions when Jesus taught something seemingly simple but then invited his disciples to think deeper with the phrase "he that hath ears to hear, let him hear."

Those interested in a copy of the Joseph Smith letter discussed which I have placed in a parallel column with D&C 132 send your request to van.hale@k-talk.com and I will send it to you by email.

 

This is the 7 September 2008 episode.
 

 

 

 

 

 

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Would God … ?

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, New Testament, Joseph Smith, All Podcasts, Old Testament, Bible, God / Godhead, Theology by mormonmisc on November 27th, 2008

Would  God ... ?

Numerous arguments resort to a declaration of what God would, or would not, do, often quoting a Biblical verse to bolster the argument. However, when the Bible is examined extensively, God's parameters on many points seem very broad and often vary according to the circumstance as we see in pursuit of such questions as:

Does God cause sin? Does God deceive? Does God change? Does God punish one for someone else's sin?

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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• This is the 13 July 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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I discuss this issue referring to a number of Biblical passages.

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More Thinking About Scriptures & Tradition

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, Joseph Smith, Mormon History, All Podcasts, Book of Mormon Historicity, Bible by mormonmisc on November 22nd, 2008

More Thinking About Scriptures & Tradition

I discuss some points raised by passages and situations in the scriptures.

 

• Israelite views of proselyting• Deuteronmy 32:8 and an ancient concept of God called henotheism

• New Testament writers drawing from the Old Testament without concern for historicity

• Issue of retaining or setting aside the Law

• Power of tradition - even the Saints are slow to accept anything contrary to their tradition

• Joseph Smith's progressive outlook

• Questions on Book of Mormon Historicity

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

 

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• This is the 15 June 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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LDS / non-LDS Exchange

LDS / non-LDS Exchange

Don Ormsby, a guest host on the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, talks with Randy Loeppky a non-LDS Christian an active advocate that Mormon claims are false and Mormons are not Christian. 

Discussion of whether or not the Church officers named in the New Testament should be continued in the Christian Church today.

 Participants asked about Sunday restrictions, who will be saved?, the Nicene Creed and early views of the possibility of man's deification; revelation, why accept the Bible as the exclusive standard.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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This is the 31 August 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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Mystery of the Book of Mormon Translation

Mystery of the Book of Mormon Translation

I discuss the numerous early sources, beginning in 1829, regarding the translation of the Book of Mormon. Differing statements, peculiaries versions of the Book of Mormon supervised by Joseph Smith (the original manuscript and the printer's manuscript, the 1830, 1837 and 1840 editions) and points of logic and reason. These factors have lead to several theories as to the source of the text of the Book of Mormon. After some 180 years the matter yet remains a mystery.

I focus especially on questions pertaining to the use of the interpreters, urim and thummin, seerstone and director.

I explain my own theory of the Book of Mormon translation.

 

 

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This is the 24 August 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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Testimony, Faith, Belief, Knowledge

Testimony, Faith, Belief, Knowledge

I addressed several points touched upon in recent talk shows and in follow-up emails regarding testimony, faith, belief, knowledge, sure knowledge.I have been a little surprised at the divergence of opinion on what I think should be simple definitions and in the fervor of those who subscribe to these different positions.What does it mean to have a testimony? Does that mean a sure knowledge?

The LDS sources on this are extensive. We have good reason to be more precise in our use of words. When someone declares "I know..." I think there is value in that phrase having a precise meaning.

I read a number of sources which support my conclusion that belief and knowledge in our religious terminology are different. I am comfortable with being a believer and declaring my convictions as belief rather than knowledge.

Subjects raised by phone participants

Mountain Meadows Massacre

Common consent and false belief and prophecy

Degrees of knowledge

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS  Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/

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This is the 24 August 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

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Mormons Who Ran for President

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, Joseph Smith, Mormon History, All Podcasts by mormonmisc on September 26th, 2008

Mormons Who Ran for President

Newell Bringhurst and Craig Foster joined me to discuss their new book on 10 Mormons who have run for President: The Mormon Quest for the Presidency. These include Joseph Smith, the two Romneys, Ezra Taft Benson, Orrin Hatch, Sonia Johnson and 4 others.

Points discussed include:

White Horse Prophecy Authors' presentations in the upcoming Sunstone Symposium and FAIR Conference Conspiracy to assassinate Joseph Smith Why did Joseph decide to run for President? Was it Joseph Smith's plan to move LDS headquarters from Nauvoo? Participation by callers and email

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS  Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/

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This is the 3 August 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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Massacre at Mountain Meadows

Posted in Mormon History, All Podcasts, Mountain Meadows Massacre by mormonmisc on August 20th, 2008

Massacre at Mountain Meadows 

One hundred twenty emigrants passing through southern Utah on their way to California in 1857, at a time when the U.S. Army was on its way to Salt Lake City, unannounced and unexplained by President Buchanan, were massacred by Mormons and Indians, the Mormons taking the lead. Much written on the topic has been marred by bias, agendas and selective use of inadequate sources. Three LDS professional historians, with the input and review of many, LDS and non-LDS, representing a wide range of perspectives, have written what promises to be a masterpiece of historical research and writing.

Ron Walker and Glen Leonard, co-authors of this long awaited book Massacre at Mountain Meadows, were my guests. We discussed their rendition of this event, including new sources and perspectives, resulting from their extensive research on this controversial topic. The third co-author, Rick Turley, Assistant LDS Church Historian, was in Mexico.

Further, the authors spoke of their determination to examine the known sources which pertain to the topic and to seek out previously unknown sources. They explained the position of Church leadership to give them free access to all historical holdings of the Church and that their writing and conclusions would not be supervised nor reviewed by Church authorities. The book is published by Oxford University Press which has a reputation for publishing works which meet a high professional standard. The first printing of 10,000 was sold out before the official release, the second printing will not supply the current demand and a third printing is already planned.

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A Visit with a Mormon Apologist

A Visit with a Mormon Apologist

Mike Ash will be my guest to discuss his new book: Shaken Faith Syndrome: Strengthening One's Testimony in the Face of Criticism and Doubt. His approach is the presentation of source material and logic to answer, from a faith promoting perspective, many issues which lead some to doubt their LDS faith. He deals with such topics as: Revelation, prophets, scripture and historical issues. Some of the specifics include, changes in scripture, response to the insistence that prophets must be infallible and omniscient, challenges to Book of Mormon histority and similar challenges to the Book of Abraham, the first vision issues and many others.

Major Issues which trouble LDS who study points raised by critics.

Polygamy Godhead Book of Mormon historicity  Book of Abraham historicity Differences in First Vision accounts Differences between scientists and some events in our scripture

 

LDS attitudes which lead to doubts

Belief that the Church and its leaders are infallible LDS in their testimonies declare that they know, rather than that they believe

Positions which dispell many arguments of critics  

Prophets are not infallible Prophets are not omniscientThe Church is not perfect  Scriptures are not perfect There is much to learn about God, salvation, mysteries which will not be learned in this life LDS prophets have differed in their beliefs on various doctrinal points God gives revelations which are unexpected Belief that parts of scripture are not to be taken literally There is very little mandatory doctrine Recognition of the shotgun approach of many critics

 

Issues raised  

The Church does not believe in civil rights A caller claimed that my guest and I are cultural Mormons who believe that the Church and its leaders are infallible. He claimed I am a liberal. I declared that he was correct; that I am a disciple of Joseph Smith, and by virtue of my belief in his teachings, I am a liberal.  Literal interpretation of Noah's Flood

 

Discussion of a panel at the Sunstone Symposium which reviewed Mike Ash's book  

Discussion of the recent FAIR Conference and the FAIR organization

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS   Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog

This is the 17 August 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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Perspective of a Black Convert

 

Perspective of a Black Convert

My guest was Marvin Perkins, an enthusiastic Black Mormon. He is a convert to the LDS Church who has spent considerable time pondering and researching the issue of Blacks in LDS history and Scripture. He has been lecturing on the topic with long-time, well-known Black member, Darius Gray. They have published a set of two DVD's of recorded live lectures. These are well organized presentations with a strong focus on insights, and I would say, surprises from the Scriptures. We discussed his perspective and included participants by phone and email. He and brother Gray host a website: http://www.blacksinthescriptures.com/

Topics discussed include:

Many relevant scriptures including new footnotes in the Book of Mormon.

Joseph Smith's views on Blacks, slavery and the universality of the restoration.

Diversity of the views of Brigham Young and Joseph Smith.

Origin of the priesthood restriction for Black Mormons.

President David O. McKay's view.

President Hinkley's view.

Current needs within the Church to establish fully a universal brotherhood.

Blacks in the pre-existence.

The war in heaven.

The June 1978 revelation.

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS  

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This is the 23 March 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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Joseph Smith’s View of Ancient Curses

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, Joseph Smith, Mormon History, All Podcasts, Theology, Brigham Young by mormonmisc on July 12th, 2008

Joseph Smith's View of Ancient Curses

I began by noting what I consider to be basic, elementary questions which require a leap of faith. They include: How what we know exists came to exist?; The universe: how? why? for what purpose? Is it the result of some intelligent design? Is it managed by a higher intelligence? Is all an accident or is it for some divine purpose?

Joseph Smith presented some of his views against slavery in the platform on which he was running for President. I discussed other sources in which we find Joseph Smith's views.

I engaged in some debate with a caller over Joseph Smith's views. I insisted that there has been no evidence, from sources produced before Joseph Smith's death, that he believed an ancient curse was to be continued in the Restoration. And further, I presented some from a substantial body of sources that he believed that all should, regardless of ancestry, be considered equal, a view he was vigorously advocating at the time of his death. The caller, in his argument, ignored the statements of Joseph Smith written and published before his death, and rather relied upon a late reminiscence which alleged that Joseph Smith realized that he had been in error declared that the blacks were, in fact, yet under an ancient curse.

 

This is the 16 March 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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Apologetics: A Believer’s Answers

Apologetics: A Believer's Answers

Don Ormsby hosted the program this week and Jeff Lindsay joined him to discuss Mormonism from an apologetic perspective. Jeff explained Mormon apologetics as he sees it. He addresses many issues on his website jefflindsay.com

Callers and email prompted Jeff's extensive discussion of the Book of Abraham. He also discussed creation, DNA, secret combinations and the anti-Mormon activity at the annual LDS pageant in Manti, Utah.

This is the 6 July 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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The Curse of Cain and Ham

The Curse of Cain and Ham

I discussed differing views of Mormons regarding slavery and priesthood denial to blacks. This is a complex historical and theological issue with many avenues of discussion. I will focus primarily upon the views of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. I discussed differing views of Mormons regarding slavery and priesthood denial to blacks. This is a complex historical and theological issue with many avenues of discussion. I will focus primarily upon the views of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.Also, I will raise and briefly address various angles and arguments which have been batted around over the past 17 decades:

  1. What was the curse on Cain?
  2. What was the curse on Ham?
  3. How long was the curse to continue?
  4. Did the slavery curse end with the Civil War?
  5. What of the view that Blacks are intellectually inferior?
  6. Did JS initiate Black priesthood denial?
  7. What were JS's views on slavery?
  8. What was BY's view on slavery?
  9. What scriptural support is there for priesthood denial?
  10. What scriptural support is there for modern continuation of slavery?
  11. How is a Black to be defined?
  12. When was importation of African slaves banned in the U.S.?

This is the 9 March 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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Why Common Consent

Why Common Consent?

From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions. From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions.If God calls prophets and directs their every action and belief by revelation why would common consent be the foundation of the operation of the Church organization?

From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions.If God calls prophets and directs their every action and belief by revelation why would common consent be the foundation of the operation of the Church organization?Why would the President and Prophet hold that position only with the consent of the faithful body of the Saints?

Why would the collection and publication of certain revelations to Joseph Smith and others require the vote of the Church members?

Why would a unanimous decision of the Quorum of the Twelve be more authoritative than than a majority decision?

Why would the President and Prophet consult with his counsellors on all important matters?

There are many historical sources which provide insights into these questions and reveal an important aspect of Joseph Smith's views and claims. I will discuss these sources and the two major conclusions among LDS as to the intent and value of the principle of Common Consent.

 

This is the 2 March 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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