Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show

Episodes of Mormon Miscellaneous, a talk show on Mormon history, scripture, doctrine and many controversial topics, by LDS host, Van Hale, now in its 38th year. All points of view are welcomed.
Jun 28th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 2:04 pm

89. 29 Years of Mormon Miscellaneous 


7 June 2009. This is the first program of the 29th year since 6 June 1980. My wife, Catherine, and long time associate, Steve Mayfield, joined me to discuss the 29 years of weekly talk shows.

We discussed the origin and history of the program; some of the guests and topics and some of the myths fabricated about myslef and the program. 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show is now in its 32th year.
Podcast address: http://mormonmisc.podbean.com


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Jun 24th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 1:01 am

88. A Catholic and a Mormon #2 


My guest, Vic Scaravilli, is a Catholic interested in Catholic apologetics, with an interest in Mormon claims and belief. We continued our discussion. 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show is now in its 32th year.
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Jun 7th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 4:27 pm

87. A Catholic and a Mormon

My guest, Vic Scaravilli, is a Catholic interested in Catholic apologetics, with an interest in Mormon claims and belief. This was my first Catholic guest in 29 years. We discussed:

  • Are Mormons Christians?
  • Defining Christ and Christian
  • Question of diversity on Jesus in the New Testament
  • Considering the view of Jesus found in Mark, Could the author of that work be considered a Christian?
  • Origins of the New Testament canon
  • Questions of Authority
  • When do Mormons claim the Church apostatized?

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, 31 May 2009.
Podcast address: http://mormonmisc.podbean.com

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Jun 1st, 2009 by mormonmisc at 2:05 pm

86.The Nauvoo High Council Minutes


The Nauvoo High Council minutes are preserved in the LDS Archives. The nature and authority of this body can be outlined by the issues it considered and the actions taken. 
Attitudes of the council on:
  • Marriage, divorce, remarriage, plural marriage, sexual immorality, disputes among members, spiritual claims and doctrinal teachings, disfellowshipment, excommunication and reinstatement, and the attitude and requests of Joseph Smith are among the many entries in this valuable record d [...]
May 24th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 5:24 pm
85. Mormon History Association Representatives

One guest was Kathyrn Daynes, current president of the Mormon History Association. 

The other was Paul Reeve, a member of the MHA Board. 

Both teach history, Daynes at BYU and Reeve at the University of Utah. They are both award winning authors. 

Daynes has written a book, More Wives than One

Reeve's book is Making Space on the Western Frontier: Mormons,. Miners, and Southern Paiutes.

We discussed the upcoming Mormon Historical Association Annual Conference including a number of the topics to be covered, the history of the MHA and how a typical Conference is conducted. 


Both guests commented on the difficulties of writing of historical papers and books.

Daynes shared her perspective on a number of points and issues in Mormon practice of plural marriage in the 19th century. 


We also discussed Reeve's research into the competing ethnicities in 19th century Mormon experience.     

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, 17 May 2009.
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May 9th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 3:08 pm

84. Mike Haxton, an ex-Mormon Bishop 


We discussed the 1611 King James Bible which Haxton claims was superintended by God and is God's word in English. We pursued the question of which KJV is God's word since it was 6000 verses longer in 1611 than the editions published today. Haxton denied this. We discussed the modern translations, I argued for their value, he contended that they contain the word of God, but they are not the word of God as is the KJV. 

We also discussed his stated view that salvation comes by grace through faith, nothing more and nothing less. In this discussion Haxton did, however, express his view that repentance and obedience to God's commands are required for salvation.

The controversial topic of the Trinity was considered briefly.


Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, 12 April 2009.
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May 8th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 11:12 am

 83. Early Publications of LDS Revelations

 


My guest was Curt Bench. He is the proprietor of Benchmark Books in Salt Lake City and an expert on the wide range of publications on Mormonism over the past 179 years. Curt is a veteran dealer in publications old and new, rare and common. 

  


Smith-Pettit Foundation has just published The Parallel Doctrine and Covenants: The 1832-1833, 1833, and 1835 Editions of Joseph Smith's Revelations. Curt authored the introduction. We discussed the history of the publication of Joseph Smith's revelations up to 1835. 

Among the several early printings of the revelations there are many textual variations for a variety of reasons. The variants can be easily followed with this new important contribution to the study of early Mormonism. 

We discussed several and also views of the nature of Joseph Smith's concept of revelation which would account for the changes made in the revelations. 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, 3 May 2009.
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Apr 28th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 12:58 pm

82. More on the Temple Ceremony 


Tonight was a discussion, which began last week from a post, alleging elements of the temple ceremony claiming numerous 19th century Mormons, by oath, committed themselves to murder Americans and to seek the destruction of the Nation. 

Other topics raised by participants include the question of: 
  • Frequency and recording of revelations 
  • Policies regarding the establishment of authority 
  • Debate on Biblical infallibility 
  • Mormons saving the Constitution.    

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, 29 March 2009.
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Apr 5th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 5:31 pm

 81. Big Love and the Temple Ceremony 


Please be advised that this is a sensitive topic for LDS. Big Love is an HBO fictional series about a non-LDS group which subscribes to, and practices, their interpretation of Mormon polygamy of the 19th century. In the 15 March 2009 episode a false allegation is made about a commitment made, prior to 1990, by LDS participants in the LDS temple ceremony. 

I discuss this and several other false allegations about the temple ceremony found in a number of anti-Mormon books, pamphlets and articles. 

These topics include: 
  • blood oaths, an oath of vengeance, a lecture and human executions. 

Topics raised by callers: 

  • Alleged blood oath

    Creation accounts in Genesis

    Alleged lecture at the veil in the St George Temple  Episode


Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, 22 March 2009.
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Apr 5th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 5:31 pm

 81. Big Love and the Temple Ceremony 


Please be advised that this is a sensitive topic for LDS. Big Love is an HBO fictional series about a non-LDS group which subscribes to, and practices, their interpretation of Mormon polygamy of the 19th century. In the 15 March 2009 episode a false allegation is made about a commitment made, prior to 1990, by LDS participants in the LDS temple ceremony. 
I discuss this and several other fals [...]
Mar 15th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 5:27 pm

80. Doctrine and Covenants #2

An overview of the history of the D&C from 1828 to 1981 discussing some: 

  • additions 
  • deletions
  • modifications
  • historical situations
  • doctrinal points

I have a selection of notecards from my notecard collection. It is Notecard Selection #7. I will email it to those who email me their request to mormontalkingpoints@gmail.com


Topics raised by callers include:

  • Contents of the Book of Commandments 
  • Did Joseph Smith have children by any of his plural wives?
  • Did not Heber J. Grant attempt to shorten the D&C substantially? 
  • Question, my view on Plural Marriage.
  • The Kirtland Revelations Book.
Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, 18 January 2009.
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Mar 6th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 2:04 pm

79. Genesis of the Joseph Smith Papers Project


My guest was Ron Esplin, Managing Editor of the Joseph Smith Papers Project. 


We discussed the genesis of this project including the original record keeping, the scope of the surviving documents, efforts to publish early Joseph Smith documents leading to the current exhaustive project. 

Ron gave details of the involvement of a very prominent Salt Lake business man, Larry Miller, who just passed away. Miller owned a number car dealships, theaters, the Utah Jazz professional basketball team and a number of other enterprises. The story of his introduction to the project, his interest and involvement prove to be very interesting. 

In 2001 the LDS First Presidency decided that the entire collection of Joseph Smith Papers would be published in what will be about 30 volumes. Top professional historians and archivists are working on the project to produce a publication to meet the highest of professional standards. 

Callers raised questions about: 
  • Articles of Faith
  • new material
  • revelations and insights regarding Joseph Smith, the value and problems with reminiscences.

     

       

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, 1 March 2009.
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Feb 21st, 2009 by mormonmisc at 11:47 pm
78. An Original Apostle's Notebook is Discovered


My guest was Brent Ashworth, a well-known and long-time collector of Mormon documents. He recently discovered an 1871 notebook of William E. McLellin who was an LDS convert in 1831, who served in several callings in the Church, including his membership in the first Quorum of the Twelve Apostles in 1835. Several factors lead to his excommunication in 1838.

He participated briefly in a splinter group before Joseph Smith's murder and organized his own group after. A number of his personal writings have been discovered - his early diaries and several notebooks. This notebook presents his views and reminiscences on a number of topics and his enduring conviction that Joseph Smith had been a prophet and that the Book of Mormon is of Divine origin.

Ashworth and I discussed the notebook in some detail and he read a number of selections from it.

We also discussed some of Ashworth's other purchases including some of the forged documents of the infamous Mark Hoffman.

Several participated questions by phone and email.

(The photo above is Brent Ashworth with the notebook. The photo below is the notebook opened to page 14-15)

 

  

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, 8 February 2009.

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Feb 5th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 1:27 pm

77. D&C: Facts and History #1

I raise a number of questions I will address regarding the history and content of the Doctrine and Covenants including additions and deletions in various editions. 

  
  • Joseph Smith's selection for the D&C in 1835 and 1844 differed from that of Orson Pratt and Brigham Young in 1876. Does this fact raise any questions?
  • Book of Commandments.
  • 1835 Doctrine and Covenants
  • General Assembly called to vote for or against the D&C
  • Early publication of some revelations.
  • Comments on D&C 76, 121, 109, 129-131, 89
  • Procedure regarding acceptance or rejection of revelation.


Jan 26th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 3:49 pm

76. Joseph Smith Papers Interview

The LDS Church has begun a major project involving professionally trained historians to gather, prepare, edit and publish the papers of Joseph Smith, mostly located in the LDS Archives. This is to meet the highest professional standards. The first volume was just published. It publishes, word for word, the journals of Joseph Smith for the period of 1832-1839, with many footnotes, biographical and geographical notes, a glossary and chronology. It begins with an exellent overview of the life of Joseph Smith.


I spent the evening conversing with Mark Ashurst-McGee and Richard Jensen, two of the editors of this first volume. The following is a list of some of the topics covered:

Nature of the journals

What they reveal of Joseph Smith

The degree of his religiosity

Remarkable Book Sales

Credibility of the editorial process

Objectivity of the editors

The involvement of LDS Authorities

Danites

Reasons the Church has hired LDS historians for this project

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show 25 January 2009.
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    Jan 26th, 2009 by mormonmisc at 3:18 pm

    75. Mormons and Modern Israel w/ Daniel Rona

    My guest is Daniel Rona. He was born in Israel - Educated in America - and was a radio and TV broadcaster in Salt Lake City, St. Louis, Chicago and New York, as well as an international newscaster for the Voice of Israel. 

    Thirty-five years ago, he returned to Israel with his wife, Marilyn, and three children, they now have five children and six grandchildren. 

    Daniel Rona is still providing learning experiences in and about Israel, Egypt, Turkey and Central America. He has been the only L.D.S. licensed tour guide and tour operator in Israel for close to thirty years. The Deseret News said, His background is unique: he is an American, an Israeli, a Mormon, and a Jew!

    Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

    Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show 25 January 2009.
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      Dec 20th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 12:16 pm

      74. Hard Evidence and Religious Conviction

       

      Guest host Don Ormsby addressed the following topics raised by participants and by himself:
      • A brand of Islam and racism
      • Who is saved 
      • Belief in the Bible and Book of Mormon is not to be based on proof 
      • Blacks and Mormonism 
      • Financing the Book of Mormon 
      • How do you prove something in scripture is true 
      • Is there hard evidence of the resurrection of Jesus 
      • Polygamy 
      • Faith is not to be based on archaeology

      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

      Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show 14 September 2008
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        Dec 20th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 1:25 am

        73. Polygamy: Joseph Smith's Letter of Explanation

        A letter of Joseph Smith on polygamy is well-known to many LDS as an article on "Happiness." It was written such that its meaning would be hidden to those who do not know its historical context.

        Its history includes a stir among LDS in Nauvoo in 1842, significant confrontations, exchanges in the newspapers, denials, defections and information on the early, private promulgation of polygamy. 


        Its content gives important insight into Joseph Smith's views and even includes a revelation. Further, it is an excellent example of a literary form which clearly teaches an impressive message on the surface, but then buried beneath the surface is a deeper message comparable to occasions when Jesus taught something seemingly simple but then invited his disciples to think deeper with the phrase "he that hath ears to hear, let him hear." 

         I have placed the letter in a parallel column with D&C 132. send your request to and I will send it to you by email. Those interested, send me your request to this email, mormontalkingpoints@gmail.com   

        Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

        Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show 7 September 2008
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          Nov 27th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 11:39 am

          72. Would  God ... ? 


          Numerous arguments resort to a declaration of what God would, or would not, do, often quoting a Biblical verse to bolster the argument. However, when the Bible is examined extensively, God's parameters on many points seem very broad and often vary according to the circumstance as we see in pursuit of such questions as: 
          • Does God cause sin? 
          • Does God deceive? 
          • Does God change? 
          • Does God punish one for someone else's sin? 

          Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

          Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show 20 September 2008
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            Nov 22nd, 2008 by mormonmisc at 10:56 am

            71. More Thinking About Scriptures & Tradition

            I discuss some points raised by passages and situations in the scriptures.

             

            Israelite views of proselyting

            Deuteronmy 32:8 and an ancient concept of God called henotheism

            New Testament writers drawing from the Old Testament without concern for historicity

            Issue of retaining or setting aside the Law

            Power of tradition - even the Saints are slow to accept anything contrary to their tradition

            Joseph Smith's progressive outlook

            Questions on Book of Mormon Historicity

              

            Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

            Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show 15 June 2008
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              Nov 3rd, 2008 by mormonmisc at 3:15 pm

              70. LDS / non-LDS Exchange

              Don Ormsby, a guest host on the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, talks with Randy Loeppky a non-LDS Christian an active advocate that Mormon claims are false and Mormons are not Christian. 

              Discussion of whether or not the Church officers named in the New Testament should be continued in the Christian Church today.

               Participants asked about Sunday restrictions, who will be saved?, the Nicene Creed and early views of the possibility of man's deification; revelation, why accept the Bible as the exclusive standard.

              Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

              Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show 31 August 2008
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                Oct 24th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 10:26 am

                69. Mystery of the Book of Mormon Translation 


                I discuss the numerous early sources, beginning in 1829, regarding the translation of the Book of Mormon. 

                Differing statements, peculiarities, versions of the Book of Mormon supervised by Joseph Smith (the original manuscript and the printer's manuscript, the 1830, 1837 and 1840 editions) and points of logic and reason. 

                These factors have lead to several theories as to the source of the text of the Book of Mormon. 

                After some 180 years the matter yet remains a mystery.

                I focus especially on questions pertaining to the use of the interpreters, urim and thummim, seer stone and director. 


                I explain my own theory of the Book of Mormon translation.

                 

                  


                Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

                Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show 13 July 2008
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                  Oct 10th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 11:16 am

                  Testimony, Faith, Belief, Knowledge

                  I addressed several points touched upon in recent talk shows and in follow-up emails regarding testimony, faith, belief, knowledge, sure knowledge.I have been a little surprised at the divergence of opinion on what I think should be simple definitions and in the fervor of those who subscribe to these different positions.What does it mean to have a testimony? Does that mean a sure knowledge?

                  The LDS sources on this are extensive. We have good reason to be more precise in our use of words. When someone declares "I know..." I think there is value in that phrase having a precise meaning.

                  I read a number of sources which support my conclusion that belief and knowledge in our religious terminology are different. I am comfortable with being a believer and declaring my convictions as belief rather than knowledge.

                  Subjects raised by phone participants

                  Mountain Meadows Massacre

                  Common consent and false belief and prophecy

                  Degrees of knowledge

                  Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS  Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/

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                  This is the 24 August 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

                  If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.

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                  Sep 26th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 10:50 am

                  Mormons Who Ran for President

                  Newell Bringhurst and Craig Foster joined me to discuss their new book on 10 Mormons who have run for President: The Mormon Quest for the Presidency. These include Joseph Smith, the two Romneys, Ezra Taft Benson, Orrin Hatch, Sonia Johnson and 4 others.

                  Points discussed include:

                  White Horse Prophecy Authors' presentations in the upcoming Sunstone Symposium and FAIR Conference Conspiracy to assassinate Joseph Smith Why did Joseph decide to run for President? Was it Joseph Smith's plan to move LDS headquarters from Nauvoo? Participation by callers and email

                  Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS  Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/

                  Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/

                  Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog

                  This is the 3 August 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

                  To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

                  If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.

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                  Aug 20th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 10:21 am

                  Massacre at Mountain Meadows 

                  One hundred twenty emigrants passing through southern Utah on their way to California in 1857, at a time when the U.S. Army was on its way to Salt Lake City, unannounced and unexplained by President Buchanan, were massacred by Mormons and Indians, the Mormons taking the lead. Much written on the topic has been marred by bias, agendas and selective use of inadequate sources. Three LDS professional historians, with the input and review of many, LDS and non-LDS, representing a wide range of perspectives, have written what promises to be a masterpiece of historical research and writing.

                  Ron Walker and Glen Leonard, co-authors of this long awaited book Massacre at Mountain Meadows, were my guests. We discussed their rendition of this event, including new sources and perspectives, resulting from their extensive research on this controversial topic. The third co-author, Rick Turley, Assistant LDS Church Historian, was in Mexico.

                  Further, the authors spoke of their determination to examine the known sources which pertain to the topic and to seek out previously unknown sources. They explained the position of Church leadership to give them free access to all historical holdings of the Church and that their writing and conclusions would not be supervised nor reviewed by Church authorities. The book is published by Oxford University Press which has a reputation for publishing works which meet a high professional standard. The first printing of 10,000 was sold out before the official release, the second printing will not supply the current demand and a third printing is already planned.

                  Aug 20th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 12:37 am

                  A Visit with a Mormon Apologist

                  Mike Ash will be my guest to discuss his new book: Shaken Faith Syndrome: Strengthening One's Testimony in the Face of Criticism and Doubt. His approach is the presentation of source material and logic to answer, from a faith promoting perspective, many issues which lead some to doubt their LDS faith. He deals with such topics as: Revelation, prophets, scripture and historical issues. Some of the specifics include, changes in scripture, response to the insistence that prophets must be infallible and omniscient, challenges to Book of Mormon histority and similar challenges to the Book of Abraham, the first vision issues and many others.

                  Major Issues which trouble LDS who study points raised by critics.

                  Polygamy Godhead Book of Mormon historicity  Book of Abraham historicity Differences in First Vision accounts Differences between scientists and some events in our scripture

                   

                  LDS attitudes which lead to doubts

                  Belief that the Church and its leaders are infallible LDS in their testimonies declare that they know, rather than that they believe

                  Positions which dispell many arguments of critics  

                  Prophets are not infallible Prophets are not omniscientThe Church is not perfect  Scriptures are not perfect There is much to learn about God, salvation, mysteries which will not be learned in this life LDS prophets have differed in their beliefs on various doctrinal points God gives revelations which are unexpected Belief that parts of scripture are not to be taken literally There is very little mandatory doctrine Recognition of the shotgun approach of many critics

                   

                  Issues raised  

                  The Church does not believe in civil rights A caller claimed that my guest and I are cultural Mormons who believe that the Church and its leaders are infallible. He claimed I am a liberal. I declared that he was correct; that I am a disciple of Joseph Smith, and by virtue of my belief in his teachings, I am a liberal.  Literal interpretation of Noah's Flood

                   

                  Discussion of a panel at the Sunstone Symposium which reviewed Mike Ash's book  

                  Discussion of the recent FAIR Conference and the FAIR organization

                   

                  Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS   Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog

                  This is the 17 August 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

                  To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

                  If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.

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                  Jul 18th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 9:59 am

                  64. Perspective of a Black Convert 


                  My guest was Marvin Perkins, an enthusiastic Black Mormon. 

                  He is a convert to the LDS Church who has spent considerable time pondering and researching the issue of Blacks in LDS history and Scripture. 

                  He has been lecturing on the topic with long-time, well-known Black member, Darius Gray. 

                  They have published a set of two DVD's of recorded live lectures. These are well organized presentations with a strong focus on insights, and I would say, surprises from the Scriptures. We discussed his perspective and included participants by phone and email. He and brother Gray host a website: http://www.blacksinthescriptures.com/  

                  Topics discussed include:
                  • Many relevant scriptures including new footnotes in the Book of Mormon. 
                  • Joseph Smith's views on Blacks, slavery and the universality of the restoration. 
                  • Diversity of the views of Brigham Young and Joseph Smith. 
                  • Origin of the priesthood restriction for Black Mormons. 
                  • President David O. McKay's view. 
                  •  President Hinkley's view. 
                  • Current needs within the Church to establish fully a universal brotherhood. 
                  • Blacks in the pre-existence. 
                  •  The war in heaven. 
                  •  The June 1978 revelation.

                  Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

                  Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show 23 March 2008
                  Podcast address: http://mormonmisc.podbean.com

                  To Participate

                  • Live, Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST
                  • Live, in Salt Lake Valley on AM Radio • K-TALK  630 AM
                  • Live, internationally on http://www.k-talk.com
                  • Live, our call-in number is 801-254-5855
                  • Live, participate sending short email mormontalkingpoints@gmail.com
                  • Live, your questions or comments are invited, regardless of your point of view. 

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                    Jul 12th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 11:33 am

                    63. Joseph Smith's View of Ancient Curses 


                    What I consider to be basic, elementary questions which require a leap of faith: 
                    • How what we know exists, came to exist?
                    • The universe: how? why? for what purpose? 
                    • Is it the result of some intelligent design? 
                    • Is it managed by a higher intelligence? 
                    • Is all an accident or is it for some divine purpose? 

                    Also:

                    • In his platform running for President, Joseph Smith presented some of his views against slavery. 
                    • I discussed other sources in which we find Joseph Smith's views. 
                    • I engaged in some debate with a caller over Joseph Smith's views. 
                    • I insisted that there has been no evidence, from sources produced before Joseph Smith's death, that he believed an ancient curse was to be continued in the Restoration. 
                    • And further, I presented some from a substantial body of sources that he believed that all should, regardless of ancestry, be considered equal, a view he was vigorously advocating at the time of his death. 
                    • The caller, in his argument, ignored the statements of Joseph Smith written and published before his death, and rather relied upon a late reminiscence which alleged that Joseph Smith realized that he had been in error declared that the blacks were, in fact, yet under an ancient curse.

                        


                    This is the 16 March 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year. 

                    Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

                    Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show 16 March 2008
                    Podcast address: http://mormonmisc.podbean.com

                    To Participate

                    • Live, Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST
                    • Live, in Salt Lake Valley on AM Radio • K-TALK  630 AM
                    • Live, internationally on http://www.k-talk.com
                    • Live, our call-in number is 801-254-5855
                    • Live, participate sending short email mormontalkingpoints@gmail.com
                    • Live, your questions or comments are invited, regardless of your point of view. 

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                      Jul 11th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 12:52 pm

                      Apologetics: A Believer's Answers

                      Don Ormsby hosted the program this week and Jeff Lindsay joined him to discuss Mormonism from an apologetic perspective. Jeff explained Mormon apologetics as he sees it. He addresses many issues on his website jefflindsay.com

                      Callers and email prompted Jeff's extensive discussion of the Book of Abraham. He also discussed creation, DNA, secret combinations and the anti-Mormon activity at the annual LDS pageant in Manti, Utah.

                      This is the 6 July 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

                      To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

                      If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.

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                      Jul 8th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 5:47 pm

                      The Curse of Cain and Ham

                      I discussed differing views of Mormons regarding slavery and priesthood denial to blacks. This is a complex historical and theological issue with many avenues of discussion. I will focus primarily upon the views of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. I discussed differing views of Mormons regarding slavery and priesthood denial to blacks. This is a complex historical and theological issue with many avenues of discussion. I will focus primarily upon the views of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.Also, I will raise and briefly address various angles and arguments which have been batted around over the past 17 decades:

                      1. What was the curse on Cain?
                      2. What was the curse on Ham?
                      3. How long was the curse to continue?
                      4. Did the slavery curse end with the Civil War?
                      5. What of the view that Blacks are intellectually inferior?
                      6. Did JS initiate Black priesthood denial?
                      7. What were JS's views on slavery?
                      8. What was BY's view on slavery?
                      9. What scriptural support is there for priesthood denial?
                      10. What scriptural support is there for modern continuation of slavery?
                      11. How is a Black to be defined?
                      12. When was importation of African slaves banned in the U.S.?

                      This is the 9 March 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

                      To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

                      If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.

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                      Jul 2nd, 2008 by mormonmisc at 10:56 am

                      Why Common Consent?

                      From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions. From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions.If God calls prophets and directs their every action and belief by revelation why would common consent be the foundation of the operation of the Church organization?

                      From the very beginning of the Church to the present, the operation of its various entities and the general body of the Church itself exercise the principle of common consent on a wide range of decisions.If God calls prophets and directs their every action and belief by revelation why would common consent be the foundation of the operation of the Church organization?Why would the President and Prophet hold that position only with the consent of the faithful body of the Saints?

                      Why would the collection and publication of certain revelations to Joseph Smith and others require the vote of the Church members?

                      Why would a unanimous decision of the Quorum of the Twelve be more authoritative than than a majority decision?

                      Why would the President and Prophet consult with his counsellors on all important matters?

                      There are many historical sources which provide insights into these questions and reveal an important aspect of Joseph Smith's views and claims. I will discuss these sources and the two major conclusions among LDS as to the intent and value of the principle of Common Consent.

                       

                      This is the 2 March 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

                      To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

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                      Jun 18th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 1:35 am

                      An Alleged Prophet

                      Art Bulla has been claiming for almost 3 decades to be the successor of Joseph Smith holding the highest priesthood keys, being the Lord's annointed and even superior to Joseph Smith and his successors, claiming to be One Mighty and Strong, to set an apostate LDS Church in order.After many years of discussion on the air and in person with Art Bulla I have decided to address his claims directly by talking about some basic principles of Mormonism introduced by Joseph Smith and endorsed by his successors, but ignored or denied by Bulla. I have tried hard to understand his claims.

                      Basically, he claims that his having been ordained a 70 gives him the highest priesthood keys, eventhough he was excommunicated from the Church. He argues that a person need not be a member of the Church to hold the highest priesthood keys. In fact, he claims that the highest keys are held by a council known as the Council of 50, organized by Joseph Smith in 1844. However, to be a member of this Council, according to Bulla, holding the highest priesthood keys, a person did not need to believe in Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, the Bible, Jesus or God.

                      Bulla claims he received the highest priesthood keys from the Church, which he asserts has been in apostasy for some time. I have asked him a number of times to trace the highest keys, those to be held only by one man at a time on the earth, from Joseph Smith to himself. He has never gone beyond Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or John Taylor. He weaves a claim of revelation; a pre-existent foreordination; ordination to a 70 before his excommunication; extension of the priesthood to the blacks in 1978, resulting, as he alleges, to a latter-day apostasy of the Church; a total disregard for the vision of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, of great success and expansion of the Church worldwide, diminishing this vision to that of one prophet holding the keys, with one disciple, no Church or priesthood quorums.

                      I discuss such Mormon Basics as:

                      The highest priesthood keys were to be invested in the Church.

                      The President of the Church is the President of the High Priesthood.

                      All who leave the Church or are excommunicated hold no priesthood keys or authority.

                      There is to be no modern-day apostasy of the Church.

                      The meaning of D&C 85 on the "one mighty and strong."

                       

                       

                      Jun 10th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 11:28 am

                      Understanding the United FirmMy guest was Max Parkin. He is retired from the LDS Church Educational System (CES) after spending a lifetime in the study and teaching of Mormon topics.

                      Currently, he is working with many others on the extensive Joseph Smith Papers Project. Specifically he is dealing with those Joseph Smith documents for the period of 1834-1838. Max gave details about this project which is to result in the publication of some 30 volumes.

                      Max provided important clarification of economics of the Church in Kirtland and Missouri in 1832-1834. Click to read his 73 page article on the subject.He explained such terms as:

                      The United Firm

                      The United Order

                      The Order of Enoch

                      Consecration

                      Stewardship

                      He addressed such issues as:

                      Ownership of property - Church owned and individually owned

                      Financial workings of the Church during this early period

                      Reasons for the failure of the the United Firm in Kirtland

                      Reasons for conflicts between the Saints and the non-LDS residents in Independence Missouri.

                      Deed of ownership and deed of stewardship

                      Max explained that the publication of revelations (78, 82, 102, 103, 104) in the 1835 D&C were altered to disguise the United Firm and those who were its managers.

                      Callers:

                      Discussion with a caller on tithing and celestial law.

                      Response to caller regarding his claim that the motivation of Church leaders has always been greed.

                      Discussion with a caller on consecration

                      A question from a caller about having all things in common. Max explained that Joseph Smith had no view of common ownership.

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

                      Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/

                      Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/

                      This is the 8 June 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST. If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.Your voice will be heard around the world.

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                      Jun 2nd, 2008 by mormonmisc at 2:06 pm

                      Mormonism in Print

                      My guest, Curt Bench, is the owner of Benchmark Books and a leading authority on books published on Mormon history, doctrine, theology, biography, diaries etc. He deals in new, used and rare books. Following is a list of some topics covered in our discussion.

                      Book recommendationsComments on a number of books on MormonismA new publication of the first 3 editions of the Book of Mormon in parallel columns

                      Book of Mormon original manuscript, printers manuscript, first three printed additions

                      The rare Mormon book business - current going price for an original 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon< [...]

                      Jun 1st, 2008 by mormonmisc at 11:51 pm

                      The Bible: Basic Reasoning

                      I engage in some basic reasoning which logically follows from some simple facts about the Bible. I am surprised at the large number of Bible advocates who have not even considered the implication of many simple facts. Follow is a brief list of topics discussed.

                      King James Version

                      Comments on the development of the numerous ancient and modern canons called the Bible

                      Divergent views of Jews at the beginning of the Christian era

                      The question of the Dead Sea Scrolls

                      There was not a gap of several centuries, as many have assumed, in Jewish religious writings between what are called the OT and the NT

                      The New Testament views regarding the after life - heaven, hell, judgment etc. - have their roots, not in the Protestant OT or NT, but rather in Jewish writings available at the beginning of the Christian era some of which can be found in some ancient and modern canons, and some which are not found in any canon.

                      Footnotes and study Bibles

                      A caller insisted that baptism is found in the Old Testament

                      An email asked questions as to why LDS continue to use the KJV

                      A caller commented on Tyndale's translation and execution

                      Response to an email about documents upon which parts of the four Gospels were based

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

                      Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/

                      Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/

                      Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog

                      This is the 10 February 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

                      To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

                      If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.

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                      Jun 1st, 2008 by mormonmisc at 11:50 am

                      Polygamy & the Utah Attorney General

                      What follows is a very interesting discussion I had a couple of years ago on the topic of modern polygamy in Utah with my guest was Mark Shurtleff, the Utah State Attorney General.

                      Unfortunately, the digital recording failed and this comes from a rather poor tape recording made by one of my listeners.

                      But, because of the topic's timeliness, I am posting this episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show to my podcast site. A.G. Shurtleff gives considerable information and insight into events which currently are widely discussed daily in the national news media regarding the recent raid by Texas law inforcement agents of the polygamous community known as the FLDS, or the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

                      More than 400 children were taken from their homes and families and placed in State custody. What will be their future and how Texas, Utah and other states will deal with polygamy and other forms of non-traditional illegal sexual relationships has captured the interest of Americans.

                      Attorney General Mark Shurtleff and I were joined by callers in the discussion of:

                      Modern polygamy in Utah;

                      Utah laws regarding sexuality;

                      Various definitions of statutory rape;

                      Legal age for sexual activity;

                      Legal age and conditions for marriage;

                      The impossibility of aggressive prosecution of infractions by polygamists for religious reasons and those who break the laws, but without religious motivation;

                      The issue of First Amendment guarantee of religious freedom verses the anti-polygamy laws;

                      Which laws the State will enforce and which it will not;

                      Differences among polygamists - independents and those in polygamous religious groups;

                      The hypocritical public attitude toward polygamy in contrast to that of children who are the result of irresponsible promiscuity;

                      The prospects of anti-polygamy laws being argued before the Supreme Court;

                      The 90 page Polygamy Primer prepared by the Attorney General's office to clarify issues pertaining to modern polygamy in Utah;

                      Warren Jeffs' abuses

                      Warren Jeffs' distortions of polygamy as practiced by LDS Church members in the 19th century;

                      Welfare fraud;

                      Incest;

                      Women desiring to leave polygamy.

                       

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

                      Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/

                      Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/

                      Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog

                      This is the 20 August 2006 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

                      To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

                      If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.

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                      May 30th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 3:02 pm

                      Which Bible?

                      The question, Which Bible should we read? is a question many have never considered - many who insist that the Bible is God's complete, final and infallible word. The fact is that a consensus has never been reached even among mainstream Christianity as to which of the many, many Bibles of Christianity today and throughout Christian history is THE Bible. The history of the Bible is very complex.

                      The following is but a very small list of aspects related to its history: Scrolls, manuscripts, texts, codex, collections, councils, creeds, disputed books, apocrypha, pseudepigrapha, canonization, translations, Septuagint, Law/Prophets/Writings, Samitaritan Penteuch, Latin Vulgate, Masoretic text, Textus Receptus, Marcion, Jerome, Wycliffe, Tyndale, Luther, theological motivations, Dead Sea Scrolls, Nag Hammadi, lost scripture, ancient translations, modern translations, textual criticism.

                      I briefly discuss a number of topics from this list and give some of my personal reflections and conclusions drawn from many years of personal interest in the question, Which Bible?

                      Callers and Email

                      Discussion of:

                      Joseph Smith's last Conference sermon: reports of the sermon, compiling, editing and preparation for publication

                      Literal interpretation of Genesis

                      Brigham Young's view of the Genesis account of creation

                      Adam God Theory

                      Evolution

                      Jehovah in the Old Testament

                       

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

                      Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/

                      Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/

                      Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog

                      This is the 20 January 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

                      To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

                      If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.

                      Your voice will be heard around the world.

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                      May 17th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 12:21 pm

                      Was Joseph Smith a Prophet?

                      My guest was Martin Tanner. We discussed his debate with Jason Wallace, a pastor who subscribes to the brand of Christianity of John Calvin.

                      Pastor Wallace was arguing that Joseph Smith was not a prophet, presenting his interpretations of some Biblical passages in support.

                      Martin Tanner, who is a believing LDS, responded.

                      Callers participated in our discussion.

                       

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

                      Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/

                      Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/

                      Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog

                      This is the 20 January 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

                      To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

                      If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.

                      Your voice will be heard around the world.

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                      May 10th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 2:02 pm

                      Rethinking the Old Testament

                      I discuss a number of points from my study of the Old Testament which have contributed to the formulation of my conclusions regarding what it means to me and my religious tradition.The Old Testament is not a book of history.

                      It is not a book of Science.

                      Genesis 30 - the speckled and spotted sheep and goats.

                      Extreme Views of the Old Testament

                      It is entirely, word-for-word, God's word. I find this unbelievable for many reasons.

                      Joseph Smith explained that some of the Old Testament pertains to us, but much does not.

                      There has never been anything like universal consensus as to the list of books which belong in the Old Testament. It has never been settled and appears that it never will be.

                      Discussion with callers on what to believe regarding supernatural claims in the Old Testament and elsewhere in our religious tradition, addressing some specifics such as the Book of Abraham, Book of Mormon and the miracles of Jesus.

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

                      Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/

                      Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/

                      Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog

                      This is the 20 January 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

                      To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

                      If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.

                      Your voice will be heard around the world.

                      Click to visit my eStore Catalog of Digital Articles related to some of my Podcast Episodes

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                      May 10th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 2:02 pm

                      Rethinking the Old Testament

                      I discuss a number of points from my study of the Old Testament which have contributed to the formulation of my conclusions regarding what it means to me and my religious tradition.The Old Testament is not a book of history.

                      It is not a book of Science.

                      Genesis 30 - the speckled and spotted sheep and goats.

                      Extreme Views of the Old Testament

                      Joseph Smith explained that some of the Old Testament pertains to us, but much does not.

                      There has never been anything like universal consensus as to the list of books which belong in the Old Testament. It has never been settled and appears that it never will be.

                      Discussion with callers on what to believe regarding supernatural claims in the Old Testament and elsewhere [...]

                      May 2nd, 2008 by mormonmisc at 12:01 pm

                      Facing the Old Testament

                      I believe Old Testament is an important collection of religious writings in the Judeo/Christian/LDS tradition. The fact that there has been substantial development within the Judeo/Christian/LDS tradition has resulted in substantial neglect of the Old Testament by most LDS and other Christians. The following is a list of points which are so certain that there is not room for reasonable dispute. I discuss these points and briefly explain how they have shaped my approach to the Old Testament. Several participants join with me in this discussion.

                      1. There is not now, nor has there ever been a consensus as to what belongs in the canon of the Old Testament.

                      2. Every list or collection of Old Testament books is a selection from a much larger body of ancient Israelite and Jewish writings.

                      3. The authorship of most of the Old Testament books is unknown.

                      4. Much of the Old Testament makes no claim to revelation or inspiration.

                      5. A number of beliefs, ritual, laws and punishments are strange, and bizarre to us.6. Some of the Old Testament religion is illegal in America.

                      7. Many laws and principles which were to continue forever have been abolished by Christianity.

                      8. Some aspects of the portrayal of God in the Old Testament are not found in modern Christianity.

                      9. There is disagreement between a number of Old Testament passages and the findings of modern science.

                      10. A number of doctrines are not accepted by modern Christianity.

                      11. There are many differences in Old Testament accounts and beliefs.

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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                      This is the 13 January 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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                      Apr 17th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 8:01 am

                      Death of Joseph Smith Miscellaneous Topics

                      Comments on the new LDS Church Almanac.

                      Accusation and response that the Church leaders are only interested in their callings in the Church for personal financial gain.

                      Allegations, prompted by Mitt Romney's candidacy for President of the U.S., that he and other Mormons are not Christians, and that his religious beliefs should disqualify him for public office.

                      Brief article on "The Wrong Jesus and The Wrong Satan" by Bill Forrest.

                      Discussion with a caller about details of the death of Joseph and Hyrum. I read what purports to be the coroner's report of June 28, 1844.

                      Discussion with a caller on Noah's ark and the question of the historicity of all Biblical detail.

                      This is the 6 Januray 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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                      Apr 4th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 12:20 pm

                      LDS Church Political Policy

                      I discuss the Christmas card allegedly sent by Mitt Romney to Republicans in North Carolina which purports to have been financed by the LDS Temple in Boston.A frequent caller attacked Mitt Romney; claimed Brigham Young did not believe in the Constitution; that he came to Utah to escape the U. S.; and that he declared that he did not believe in the Constitution. I responded to each of these points.I read a current statement of the Church's neutrality on political elections and partisan politics and freedom of LDS, including those holding political office, to vote their conscience.Discussion with a caller on the interpretation of portions of scripture and how the interpretation one may be relevant to the interpretations of others.

                      Comments on D&C 134. I contrast this section with Old Testament policy.

                      Joseph Smith's 1844 statement on religion and government.

                      Email from an LDS democrat regarding the Chuch political position.

                      A caller read a statement of Joseph Smith and his comments.

                      Discussion with a caller about views of the Bible and interpretation of the Old Testament;

                      Mitt Romney and prevailing biases.

                      A caller asked about the historicity of the Bible in comparison and contrast to the Book of Mormon.

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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                      This is the 30 December 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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                      Mar 30th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 3:10 pm

                      Strange Elements of the Old Testament

                      I comment on the Ensign article on Joseph Smith's journals, the Joseph Smith Papers project and the new Priesthood / Relief Society manual for 2008.I received an email asking a question about God sending lying spirits to the prophets to deceive the king. In addressing this issue, I briefly comment on several approaches to the Old Testament.

                      1. Rejection of the Old Testament by many early Christians.

                      2. Modern approach of a majority of Christians who ignore all but a few selected passages and stories from the Old Testament.

                      3. Another approach is that the Old Testament is a collection of ancient religious writings but not the inspired word of God.

                      Acknowledging the strangeness of the Old Testament is essential to understanding it.

                      1 Kings 21

                      There are a number of passages which present seemingly strange Divine characteristics. I list a few:

                      1 Kings 22:9-23 (causes prophets to lie);

                      Ezekiel 14:9 (deceives prophets);

                      Amos 3:6 (the cause of evil in a city);

                      Ezekiel 20:25-26, 31 (gave laws and judgments which were not good, including child sacrifice);

                      Hosea 9:15-16 (hates and curses);

                      Deu 20:10-11, Lev 25:44 (commands and condones slavery);

                      1 Sa 16:14, 18:10 (sends evil spirits to influence men);

                      Ex 32:14; Deu 28:68; Am 7:3, 6; Jonah 3:9, 10; Jer 26:13; 2 Sam 24:16 (changes his mind).

                      I read and commented on Numbers 5:11-30 - Procedure for determining a wife's faithfulness. 

                      Callers and Email

                      1. A frequent caller who paints Mormonism in the blackest fashion. He insists that the only interest of the General Authorities is in collecting money from its members. 

                      2. This caller has written a novel which incorporates much of this author's personal doctrinal views.

                      3. A frequent caller strongly criticized my view of the Old Testament.

                      4. A frequent caller discusses the question of whether God would deceive the prophets and questioning my doubting of the literalness of parts of the Old Testament.

                      5. A frequent caller condemns me for not believing the flood account literally, but insists that it is appropriate for him to discard to refuse a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation.

                      6. This caller was applying some wording from the book of Revelation to current events in America's southern states.  

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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                      This is the 23 December 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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                      Mar 23rd, 2008 by mormonmisc at 11:05 am

                      God and Omniscience

                      Priesthood and Succession

                      A number of topics were raised and discussed in this episode:

                      1. Discussion of the question of the extent of God's knowledge, contrasting the views found in the Lectures of Faith and those of a number of Church leaders.
                      2. Fundamentalist polygamous groups.
                      3. A caller alleged Brigham Young taught that Blacks were neutral in the war in heaven.
                      4. A caller argued that the priesthood and keys were to exist outside of the Church.
                      5. Comments on the topic of priesthood authority and succession as established by Joseph Smith and endorsed by his successors.
                      6. Position of the Church regarding Blacks joining the Church prior to 1965.
                      7. Position of the Church regarding Blacks in the early and modern periods.

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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                      This is the 16 December 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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                      Mar 2nd, 2008 by mormonmisc at 10:35 am

                      God's Omniscience:

                      Diversity of Mormon Views

                      In this episode I discuss several differing views of LDS leaders, including Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Orson Pratt, Wilford Woodruff, B. H. Roberts, Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie on the topic of God's omniscience.

                      Joseph Smith and Brigham Young emphatically declared that the most spiritually advanced in this life will know but little of even the basics of the plan of salvation at the time of their death. From this perspective, they established an LDS position which persists - that we have no carefully worded creed which a person must accept to be LDS. Both of them advocated searching, pondering and speculating upon concepts, even mysteries. This, of course, resulted in a religious climate among the Saints where there would naturally be a diversity of views on even some basic topics, even regarding God and the Godhead.

                      I discuss the differences between Orson Pratt and Brigham Young on the whether God, or the Gods, progress in knowledge. Their differences resulted in published statements of the First presidency, and the First Presidency and the Twelve, to the Saints and comments in sermons by several General Authorities in the 1860s.   More recently, Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie, in the 1950s and 1960s expressed their views on the subject.

                      Email Participants (the phone system went down and thus there were no phone participants)

                      1. Mormons are so busy chasing after other Gods that they cannot know the one God of the Bible. I comment on this position.
                      2. A long email from a frequent participant denounces pursuit of our religious belief through research and study. He claims that we must turn to him; that he will tell us the truths we need to know; and that we are to pray to God, not for further knowledge, but rather, only for confirmation what this self-proclaimed prophet has declared. In my response I wandered off on to the question of, Who is Jehovah in Mormon belief in the 19th century in contrast to belief in the 20th century?
                      3. Another email further argues that Mormons do not believe in the God of the Bible and cannot, therefore, be Christians. The God of the Bible is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. I, of course, respond.  

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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                      This is the 9 December 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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                      Feb 27th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 11:43 am

                      Development of Mormon Thought

                      on the Holy Ghost

                      I trace the development of Mormon thought, from 1829 to the present, on the Holy Ghost. I pursue such questions as:

                      Is the Holy Ghost a personage?

                      What is the future of the Holy Ghost?

                      Was Joseph Smith the Holy Ghost?

                      Why did the current LDS view of the Holy Ghost take so long to develop?

                      Regarding the Holy Ghost, I discuss the Book of Mormon and other early sources, specifically Lecture Five in a series of lectures given in 1834, and Joseph Smith's teachings during the last four years of his life in Nauvoo.

                      Participants by Phone and Email

                      1. I read and responded to an email which asserts that the Bible teaches there is one God expressed in three persons. I read several Biblical passages which draw a clear distinction between God and Jesus and others which refer to the existence of a number of gods.
                      2. A caller addressed himself to this topic and we further discussed the question of the deity of Jesus as related to the New Testament.
                      3. A caller contributed several views regarding the spirit of man and the workings of the Holy Ghost.
                      4. Further discussion with a caller regarding the early LDS views (1830s) of the Father as a spirit in contrast to Joseph Smith's teaching in Nauvoo (1841-1844) that the Father has resurrected body of flesh and bones like that of Jesus.

                       

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                      This is the 2 December 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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                      Feb 17th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 6:38 pm

                      Development of Joseph Smith's

                      Concept of God

                      Joseph Smith acknowledged that his views were progressive - that is, his views of God differed on a number of points from 1829 to 1844. From a number of sources I have developed the following approximate timeline for the development of Joseph Smith's views of God.

                      1. Jesus is God. 1829-1844
                      2. Jesus pre-existed as the Son. 1829-1844
                      3. In some way Jesus is the Son and also the Father. 1829-1833
                      4. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one. 1829-1844
                      5. The Father is a personage of spirit 1829-1835 or 1834-1835
                      6. The Holy Ghost is not a personage, but rather the mind of the Father and the Son. 1834-1841
                      7. The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit awaiting the opportunity to take upon himself a body of flesh and bones. 1841-1844
                      8. The Saints have the potential to become gods and goddesses. 1832-1844
                      9. Our God and Father has a God and Father. 1841-1844
                      10. The Father went through mortality and has a resurrected body of flesh and bones like that of Jesus. 1841-1844
                      11. There is an Eternal God of all other Gods. 1838-1841
                      12. There is one God above another with no end. 1841-1844
                      13. There was a grand council of Gods to plan and create this world. 1839-1844

                      I discussed the four main points of the King Follett discourse of 7 April 1844.  

                      Participation by Phone and Email

                      1. I respond to an email condemning Brigham Young and his view of Adam as God. Did he believe in a different God than the God of the Bible?
                      2. Why are there two different trinities in LDS thought: Elohim, Jehovah and the Holy Ghost; and, Elohim, Jehovah and Michael?
                      3. Comments on Brigham Young's position that there would be differences on God if saints ancient and modern where gathered together.
                      4. Does not the Book of Mormon present the idea that God could cease to be God?
                      5. A caller condemns me for not accepting his views about Brigham Young's teachings regarding Adam. I explain my preference for Joseph Smith's view over that of Brigham Young on this point.

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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                      This is the 25 November 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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                      Feb 8th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 1:04 pm

                      Brigham Young's Belief that Adam is God

                      On this talk show I answer a number of questions regarding Brigham Young's unique beliefs regarding Adam. This has been a controversial topic for more than 100 years. Answers the following questions are included:

                      1. What did Brigham Young believe?
                      2. To what extent did he teach his views?
                      3. Did he consider his authoritative; that is, official Mormon doctrine?
                      4. Does his role as president and prophet demand that his views be accepted by LDS?
                      5. Did his contemporaries in the Church hierarchy accept his views?
                      6. Did his views on Adam differ from those of Joseph Smith?

                      Callers and Email

                      • Joseph Smith's view that spirits are eternal and Brigham Young's view that spirits begin to exist through a spirit birth.
                      • A caller spoke in defense of his view that Adam is God citing some passages and arguments.
                      • Change of one word in the introduction of the Book of Mormon.    

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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                      This is the 18 November 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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                      Feb 7th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 10:28 am

                      Discussion of God With

                      Martin Tanner

                      Discussion with my guest Martin Tanner on the following topics:

                      Trinity

                      Book of Mormon doctrine

                      Early Mormon views of God

                      Diversity and development of concepts of God within Mormonism.

                      Questions by Email and Phone

                      What about monotheism in Isaiah and the trinitarianism or tritheism of the Book of Mormon at the same time?

                      What about God and gender?

                      Brigham Young's view of Adam as God vs Evolution vs accounts of creation in Genesis, Moses, Abraham.

                      Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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                      This is the 11 November 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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