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Testimony, Faith, Belief, Knowledge
Oct 10th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 11:16 am

Testimony, Faith, Belief, Knowledge

I addressed several points touched upon in recent talk shows and in follow-up emails regarding testimony, faith, belief, knowledge, sure knowledge.I have been a little surprised at the divergence of opinion on what I think should be simple definitions and in the fervor of those who subscribe to these different positions.What does it mean to have a testimony? Does that mean a sure knowledge?

The LDS sources on this are extensive. We have good reason to be more precise in our use of words. When someone declares "I know..." I think there is value in that phrase having a precise meaning.

I read a number of sources which support my conclusion that belief and knowledge in our religious terminology are different. I am comfortable with being a believer and declaring my convictions as belief rather than knowledge.

Subjects raised by phone participants

Mountain Meadows Massacre

Common consent and false belief and prophecy

Degrees of knowledge

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  • dewey olsen

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    Dec 20, 2008 at 7:44 pm
  • Carl

    Dear Van,

    Thank you very much for the podcasts of your very instructive programs. I usually enjoy listening to them to a certain point. And this certain point when I often press the stop button is when that ridiculous “Mr. Mohammed” spits out his venomous comments. So, I would also think that you have too much patience with him.

    The interesting thing about his comment in this podcast, however, was that he claimed to have received a vision where Allah alledgedly showed himself to him. It’s a pity that he did not want to say what Allah looked like. Somehow he obviously sensed the danger of being called an apostate by his fellow Muslims for giving a totally unorthodox description. But my main point is that even the prophet of Islam, the original Mohammed, never claimed to have received a vision of Allah himself. Instead he said that the archangel Gabriel came to him and brought his revelations. This shows that your frequent caller “Mr. Mohammed” claims for himself a higher status than his own prophet. If this news spreads within his own community this may bring him in a very dangerous situation.

    Best regards

    Carl

    Mar 15, 2010 at 3:35 pm