Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show

Episodes of Mormon Miscellaneous, a talk show on Mormon history, scripture, doctrine and many controversial topics, by LDS host, Van Hale, now in its 38th year. All points of view are welcomed.
Understanding the United Firm
Jun 10th, 2008 by mormonmisc at 11:28 am

Understanding the United FirmMy guest was Max Parkin. He is retired from the LDS Church Educational System (CES) after spending a lifetime in the study and teaching of Mormon topics.

Currently, he is working with many others on the extensive Joseph Smith Papers Project. Specifically he is dealing with those Joseph Smith documents for the period of 1834-1838. Max gave details about this project which is to result in the publication of some 30 volumes.

Max provided important clarification of economics of the Church in Kirtland and Missouri in 1832-1834. Click to read his 73 page article on the subject.He explained such terms as:

The United Firm

The United Order

The Order of Enoch



He addressed such issues as:

Ownership of property - Church owned and individually owned

Financial workings of the Church during this early period

Reasons for the failure of the the United Firm in Kirtland

Reasons for conflicts between the Saints and the non-LDS residents in Independence Missouri.

Deed of ownership and deed of stewardship

Max explained that the publication of revelations (78, 82, 102, 103, 104) in the 1835 D&C were altered to disguise the United Firm and those who were its managers.


Discussion with a caller on tithing and celestial law.

Response to caller regarding his claim that the motivation of Church leaders has always been greed.

Discussion with a caller on consecration

A question from a caller about having all things in common. Max explained that Joseph Smith had no view of common ownership.

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This is the 8 June 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST. If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.Your voice will be heard around the world.

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