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Mystery of the Book of Mormon Translation

Posted in Joseph Smith, Mormon History, All Podcasts, Anti-Mormon Allegations, Book of Mormon, Book of Abraham by mormonmisc on October 24th, 2008

Mystery of the Book of Mormon Translation

I discuss the numerous early sources, beginning in 1829, regarding the translation of the Book of Mormon. Differing statements, peculiaries versions of the Book of Mormon supervised by Joseph Smith (the original manuscript and the printer’s manuscript, the 1830, 1837 and 1840 editions) and points of logic and reason. These factors have lead to several theories as to the source of the text of the Book of Mormon. After some 180 years the matter yet remains a mystery.

I focus especially on questions pertaining to the use of the interpreters, urim and thummin, seerstone and director.

I explain my own theory of the Book of Mormon translation.

 

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Talk Show Blog:

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This is the 24 August 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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A Visit with a Mormon Apologist

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, Joseph Smith, All Podcasts, Anti-Mormon Allegations, Bible, Book of Mormon, Book of Abraham by mormonmisc on August 20th, 2008

A Visit with a Mormon Apologist

Mike Ash will be my guest to discuss his new book: Shaken Faith Syndrome: Strengthening One’s Testimony in the Face of Criticism and Doubt. His approach is the presentation of source material and logic to answer, from a faith promoting perspective, many issues which lead some to doubt their LDS faith. He deals with such topics as: Revelation, prophets, scripture and historical issues. Some of the specifics include, changes in scripture, response to the insistence that prophets must be infallible and omniscient, challenges to Book of Mormon histority and similar challenges to the Book of Abraham, the first vision issues and many others.

Major Issues which trouble LDS who study points raised by critics.

Polygamy Godhead Book of Mormon historicity  Book of Abraham historicity Differences in First Vision accounts Differences between scientists and some events in our scripture

 

LDS attitudes which lead to doubts

Belief that the Church and its leaders are infallible LDS in their testimonies declare that they know, rather than that they believe

Positions which dispell many arguments of critics  

Prophets are not infallible Prophets are not omniscientThe Church is not perfect  Scriptures are not perfect There is much to learn about God, salvation, mysteries which will not be learned in this life LDS prophets have differed in their beliefs on various doctrinal points God gives revelations which are unexpected Belief that parts of scripture are not to be taken literally There is very little mandatory doctrine Recognition of the shotgun approach of many critics

 

Issues raised  

The Church does not believe in civil rights A caller claimed that my guest and I are cultural Mormons who believe that the Church and its leaders are infallible. He claimed I am a liberal. I declared that he was correct; that I am a disciple of Joseph Smith, and by virtue of my belief in his teachings, I am a liberal.  Literal interpretation of Noah’s Flood

 

Discussion of a panel at the Sunstone Symposium which reviewed Mike Ash’s book  

Discussion of the recent FAIR Conference and the FAIR organization

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS   Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog

This is the 17 August 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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Apologetics: A Believer’s Answers

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, Mormon History, All Podcasts, Anti-Mormon Allegations, Book of Abraham by mormonmisc on July 11th, 2008

Apologetics: A Believer’s Answers

Don Ormsby hosted the program this week and Jeff Lindsay joined him to discuss Mormonism from an apologetic perspective. Jeff explained Mormon apologetics as he sees it. He addresses many issues on his website jefflindsay.com

Callers and email prompted Jeff’s extensive discussion of the Book of Abraham. He also discussed creation, DNA, secret combinations and the anti-Mormon activity at the annual LDS pageant in Manti, Utah.

This is the 6 July 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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The Curse of Cain and Ham

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, New Testament, Joseph Smith, Mormon History, All Podcasts, Old Testament, Bible, Book of Abraham, Theology, Brigham Young, Church Government by mormonmisc on July 8th, 2008

The Curse of Cain and Ham

I discussed differing views of Mormons regarding slavery and priesthood denial to blacks. This is a complex historical and theological issue with many avenues of discussion. I will focus primarily upon the views of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. I discussed differing views of Mormons regarding slavery and priesthood denial to blacks. This is a complex historical and theological issue with many avenues of discussion. I will focus primarily upon the views of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.Also, I will raise and briefly address various angles and arguments which have been batted around over the past 17 decades:

  1. What was the curse on Cain?
  2. What was the curse on Ham?
  3. How long was the curse to continue?
  4. Did the slavery curse end with the Civil War?
  5. What of the view that Blacks are intellectually inferior?
  6. Did JS initiate Black priesthood denial?
  7. What were JS’s views on slavery?
  8. What was BY’s view on slavery?
  9. What scriptural support is there for priesthood denial?
  10. What scriptural support is there for modern continuation of slavery?
  11. How is a Black to be defined?
  12. When was importation of African slaves banned in the U.S.?

This is the 9 March 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 29th year.

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The Bible: Basic Reasoning

Posted in New Testament, All Podcasts, Old Testament, Bible, Book of Mormon, Book of Abraham, Ancient non-Canonical by mormonmisc on June 1st, 2008

The Bible: Basic Reasoning

I engage in some basic reasoning which logically follows from some simple facts about the Bible. I am surprised at the large number of Bible advocates who have not even considered the implication of many simple facts. Follow is a brief list of topics discussed.

King James Version

Comments on the development of the numerous ancient and modern canons called the Bible

Divergent views of Jews at the beginning of the Christian era

The question of the Dead Sea Scrolls

There was not a gap of several centuries, as many have assumed, in Jewish religious writings between what are called the OT and the NT

The New Testament views regarding the after life - heaven, hell, judgment etc. - have their roots, not in the Protestant OT or NT, but rather in Jewish writings available at the beginning of the Christian era some of which can be found in some ancient and modern canons, and some which are not found in any canon.

Footnotes and study Bibles

A caller insisted that baptism is found in the Old Testament

An email asked questions as to why LDS continue to use the KJV

A caller commented on Tyndale’s translation and execution

Response to an email about documents upon which parts of the four Gospels were based

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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This is the 10 February 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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Rethinking the Old Testament

Posted in Joseph Smith, All Podcasts, Old Testament, Book of Mormon, Book of Abraham by mormonmisc on May 10th, 2008

Rethinking the Old Testament

I discuss a number of points from my study of the Old Testament which have contributed to the formulation of my conclusions regarding what it means to me and my religious tradition.The Old Testament is not a book of history.

It is not a book of Science.

Genesis 30 - the speckled and spotted sheep and goats.

Extreme Views of the Old Testament

It is entirely, word-for-word, God’s word. I find this unbelievable for many reasons.

Joseph Smith explained that some of the Old Testament pertains to us, but much does not.

There has never been anything like universal consensus as to the list of books which belong in the Old Testament. It has never been settled and appears that it never will be.

Discussion with callers on what to believe regarding supernatural claims in the Old Testament and elsewhere in our religious tradition, addressing some specifics such as the Book of Abraham, Book of Mormon and the miracles of Jesus.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/

Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog

This is the 20 January 2008 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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God and Omniscience / Priesthood and Succession

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, Polygamy, Mormon History, All Podcasts, Book of Abraham, God / Godhead, Theology by mormonmisc on March 23rd, 2008

God and Omniscience

Priesthood and Succession

A number of topics were raised and discussed in this episode:

  1. Discussion of the question of the extent of God’s knowledge, contrasting the views found in the Lectures of Faith and those of a number of Church leaders.
  2. Fundamentalist polygamous groups.
  3. A caller alleged Brigham Young taught that Blacks were neutral in the war in heaven.
  4. A caller argued that the priesthood and keys were to exist outside of the Church.
  5. Comments on the topic of priesthood authority and succession as established by Joseph Smith and endorsed by his successors.
  6. Position of the Church regarding Blacks joining the Church prior to 1965.
  7. Position of the Church regarding Blacks in the early and modern periods.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/

Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/

Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog

This is the 16 December 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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Development of Joseph Smith’s Concept of God

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, Joseph Smith, Mormon History, All Podcasts, Book of Mormon, Book of Abraham, God / Godhead, Theology, Adam God belief by mormonmisc on February 17th, 2008

Development of Joseph Smith’s

Concept of God

Joseph Smith acknowledged that his views were progressive - that is, his views of God differed on a number of points from 1829 to 1844. From a number of sources I have developed the following approximate timeline for the development of Joseph Smith’s views of God.

  1. Jesus is God. 1829-1844
  2. Jesus pre-existed as the Son. 1829-1844
  3. In some way Jesus is the Son and also the Father. 1829-1833
  4. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one. 1829-1844
  5. The Father is a personage of spirit 1829-1835 or 1834-1835
  6. The Holy Ghost is not a personage, but rather the mind of the Father and the Son. 1834-1841
  7. The Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit awaiting the opportunity to take upon himself a body of flesh and bones. 1841-1844
  8. The Saints have the potential to become gods and goddesses. 1832-1844
  9. Our God and Father has a God and Father. 1841-1844
  10. The Father went through mortality and has a resurrected body of flesh and bones like that of Jesus. 1841-1844
  11. There is an Eternal God of all other Gods. 1838-1841
  12. There is one God above another with no end. 1841-1844
  13. There was a grand council of Gods to plan and create this world. 1839-1844

I discussed the four main points of the King Follett discourse of 7 April 1844.  

Participation by Phone and Email

  1. I respond to an email condemning Brigham Young and his view of Adam as God. Did he believe in a different God than the God of the Bible?
  2. Why are there two different trinities in LDS thought: Elohim, Jehovah and the Holy Ghost; and, Elohim, Jehovah and Michael?
  3. Comments on Brigham Young’s position that there would be differences on God if saints ancient and modern where gathered together.
  4. Does not the Book of Mormon present the idea that God could cease to be God?
  5. A caller condemns me for not accepting his views about Brigham Young’s teachings regarding Adam. I explain my preference for Joseph Smith’s view over that of Brigham Young on this point.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS

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Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog

This is the 25 November 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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Miscellaneous Topics/Open Forum

Posted in Mormon Doctrine, Mormon History, Anti-Mormon Allegations, Book of Abraham by mormonmisc on October 4th, 2007

Miscellaneous Topics/Open Forum 

Topics

Preliminary comments on a lead scroll, found in 2002 at Lee’s Ferry on the Colorado river, which purports to be written by John D. Lee, to be discussed in the next episode. It attributes the ultimate order for the Mountain Meadows Massacre to Brigham Young.

The ultimate authority in the LDS Church rests with the body of the Church.

Deseret News editorial by Charles W. Penrose  30 November 1889.

President Joseph F. Smith’s testimony in the Reed Smoot hearings.

B.H. Roberts on two types of disciples.

Callers and Email:

A warning that God’s judgement is coming soon.

Comments on LDS views on the PBS two part documentary, “The Mormons.”

Politics among Mormons in the 19th century.

Allegation that the LDS Church is all about collecting 10% from the members to make the leaders richer.

A non-Mormon woman responds to this rabid anti-Mormon caller.

Book of Abraham issue. Various views on the differences between Egyptologists interpretive translation and that of Joseph Smith.

Question about the existence, location and authority of an 1886 revelation to John Taylor.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog This is the 16 September 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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