Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show

Episodes of Mormon Miscellaneous, a talk show on Mormon history, scripture, doctrine and many controversial topics, by LDS host, Van Hale, now in its 35th year. All points of view are welcomed.
Aug 27th, 2007 by mormonmisc at 12:11 pm

Theology With Blake Ostler

Blake has authored a number of papers and articles and currently has completed two volumes of his multi-volume set, Exploring Mormon Thought.

Joseph Smith's basic teaching that Mormons are open to receiving all truth; that Mormonism is progressive, looking for development of its beliefs in a variety of ways including thought, pondering and continued revelation, opens the path for the consideration of various aspects and angles beyond the parameters of basic Mormon doctrine.

Joseph Smith opposed the idea of a creed because it sets up stakes beyond which a person is not to think. Instead he encouraged LDS to seek deeper and deeper into the mysteries of Godliness.

We discussed our differences in our interpretations of Joseph Smith's views as found in D&C 121:28-32 and two discourses: 7 April 1844 and 16 June 1844. Blake concludes that Joseph Smith believed that there is one Eternal God of all other gods. I conclude that, by 1844, Joseph Smith  believed that there is an infinite patriarchy of Gods - that there is no God who does not have a Father and God.

Topics Raised by Callers and Email

Is not the Articles of Faith a creed, if not why?

What is the status of progressive Mormonism and Mormon neo-orthodoxy?

What about W.W. Phelps hymn "If you could hie to Kolob"?

What is a creed?

By Joseph Smith's declaration that Jesus followed in the footsteps of his Father, does he mean that the Father was the Savior of the world upon which he went through mortality? Blake is trying to harmonize JS's Nauvoo teachings on plurality of gods with his 1835 Book of Abraham council of gods. According to JS's logic if there was a first God, there would have to be a last. What about the Adam God doctrine of Brigham Young?

God does not have a navel.

The Adam God theory is basic gospel truth and those who reject it will be damned.

Does God the Father have a Father?

Who was God the Father's Father when he went through mortality?

Allegation that Joseph Smith believed the Adam God theory.

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog This is the 26 August 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

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Aug 26th, 2007 by mormonmisc at 10:12 am

Two Month Nauvoo Temple Operation 

NauvooTemple-Harpers.jpgI cover some of the events, ordinances, sermons, and happenings in the Nauvoo Temple during its short term of operation from 11 December 1845 to 8 February 1846. A major source for my comments is the valuable book: The Nauvoo Endowment Companies, edited by Gary Bergera and Devery Anderson, compiled primarily from Nauvoo Temple records and diaries. I discuss:

Laying of the cornerstones of the Temple

Extensive detailed records

The ordinances - baptism for the dead, washings, anointings, washing and anointing for health, washing of feet, endowments, second anointing, marriage, sealings (living, dead, children), adoptions, ordinations (elder, seventy, high priest), prayer circles

Types of marriages/sealings performed in the temple - for time and eternity; for time; for eternity; monogamous for time-plural for eternity; plural for time-monogamous for eternity; plural for time and eternity; non-sexual for time

Wedding ceremonies, celebration and recreation in the temple

Dancing in the temple unto the Lord - Brigham Young's explanation and defense

Music in the temple

Secrecy directives

Prominent themes of the temple prayers

Actors in the Endowment drama

First Temple expose

Topics Raised by Callers and Email

A strong condemnation of my motives and my response.

Priesthood is outside of the Church.

Is the Book of Mormon fact or fiction?

Three Book of Mormon doctrines which are wrong.

The Church fell into apostasy in 1978 in giving the Blacks the priesthood, and a former 70 now is the Lord's Anointed.

The fact that Pres. Kimball received a revelation to extend the priesthood to the Blacks means there must have been a revelation to withhold the priesthood from the Blacks.  

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog This is the 19 August 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

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Aug 21st, 2007 by mormonmisc at 10:30 pm

My Sunstone Experience

Sunstone2.jpgAt a session at the Sunstone Symposium three panelists discussed the need for a more aggressive approach to some of the more difficult Mormon topics. The idea they posed was that it would be better for Mormons to be introduced to controversial topics from within the Church rather than by Mormonism's critics.

I tell my experience of discussing the Trinity with a young Christian Evangelical, following my participation in a session on the doctrine of God in the Book of Mormon.

I comment on the paper I presented at Sunstone on the Mountain Meadows Massacre and the Oath of Vengeance and read an outrageous charge from the new book September Dawn, which is also a movie scheduled to be released the end of August.

Topics Raised by Callers and Email

John Krakauer's best selling book Evolution - several different views Can a divorced man become a bishop? Speculation on replacement of Pres. Hinckley's counsellor, Pres. Faust Succession claims following the death of Joseph Smith Will Bagley's response to my Sunstone paper on the Oath of Vengeance Are Church manuals going to be more scholarly? Adam God theory Joseph Smith's testimony

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog This is the 12 August 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

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Aug 20th, 2007 by mormonmisc at 10:04 am

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The Romneys; Mormon Splinter Groups

My guest is Newell Bringhurst past president of the Mormon History Association, the John Whitmer Historical Association and author of many works on diverse areas of Mormon history.Bringhurst has written a paper comparing the Presidential campaigns of George Romney (1968) and his son Mitt Romney (2008).Mitt has considered some of the problems and mistakes of his father. MittRomney.jpgGeorge Romney was the front-runner for a time as the Republican candidate. 

 

Only Mormon issue he faced was LDS policy of denying priesthood to the Blacks.    

Citizenship issue was raised because he was born in Mexico.

His grandfather went to Mexico to avoid polygamy prosecution, but his parents were both American citizens.

Brainwashing statement

 

Lessons Mitt learned from his father's compaign   

Care in rhetoric  Name recognition

Listing of other Mormon Presidential candidates. 

Joseph Smith  Parley Christensen George Romney Morris Udall Bo Grits Eldridge Cleaver (before he converted to Mormonism) Orrin Hatch Ezra Taft Benson's interest in Vice President

Mormon Splinter Groups. Bringhurst is editing a book to be published in September 2007 on the Mormon splinter groups. There have been some 400 splinter groups which have broken off from the Mormon Church; some 60 groups are active currently. There have been many claims of revelation and priesthood succession outside of the LDS Church. A list of such would include: Sidney Rigdon, William Law, David Whitmer, Lyman Wight, Wycam Clark, Noah Rogers and a number of modern Mormon Fundamentalist groups  

Topics from Callers

Mormon persecution in Missouri - politics and gathering  Diversity among Fundamentalist Mormons Claims of priesthood outside of the Church Apostasy of the LDS Church by giving the Blacks the Priesthood Importance of consensus within the Church  

 

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog This is the 5 August 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

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Aug 15th, 2007 by mormonmisc at 10:37 am

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Sunstone: Interview with Dan Wotherspoon

My guest was Dan Wotherspoon, executive director and editor of Sunstone Magazine, with a doctorate in theology and philosopy of religion. We discussed the upcoming Sunstone Symposium, including some of the 95 sessions, the mission and future of Sunstone and a number of topics raised by callers.

Changes in Sunstone announced with John Dehlin as the new executive director, taking over fundraising and the website.

28th Salt Lake Symposium 8-11 August 2007 - Some sessions

Mountain Meadows Massacre and the Oath of Vengeance Mitt Romney papers and panel discussion Mormon splinter groups Grant McMurray former prophet/president of the Community of Christ Church (formerly the RLDS Church) Helen Whitney, producer of the PBS documentary "The Mormons" is presenting at a special session Sunstone Mission: Open Forum of Thought,  "Faith Seeking Understanding."

Sunstone finances.

Audio files of the 2007 Symposium will be available in mp3 format on sunstoneonline.com within about 2 weeks after the Symposium.

Comments on the future impressive additions and development of the website.

Multiple sides of Mormon issues are welcomed at Sunstone.

Topics Raised by Callers:

Mitt Romney's candidacy What is Dialogue Journal Joseph Smith translation of the Bible King James Translations and other versions What is the Official Church position on Sunstone? What about those born into bad circumstances? The tribe of Judah Is there policy against BYU professors participating at Sunstone? Vision of the redemption of the dead D&C 138:50-51 on resurrection. A criticism that those at Sunstone prefer the past prophets and authorities over the current Prophet.

Talk Show host: Van Hale, LDS Official website: http://www.mormonmiscellaneous.com/ Podcast address: http://www.mormonmisc.podbean.com/ Talk Show Blog: mormonmiscellaneous.com/radioprogramblog This is the 29 July 2007 episode of the Mormon Miscellaneous Worldwide Talk Show, now in its 28th year.

To listen to future Talk Shows live, go to http://www.k-talk.com/ Sunday evenings 5:00 - 7:00 pm MST.

If you have a question or comment, your participation is invited, regardless of your point of view.

Your voice will be heard around the world.

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